[erlang-questions] Elixir community, please be more responsible; Erlang community, please demand it.
alex@REDACTED
alex@REDACTED
Sat Mar 23 20:21:35 CET 2019
WTF! They are messing up with Joe?! No triggering...internalize what?
What's his name and address?!! I'm flying in. Need a bottle of scotch
and a map in that same order. LOL!
On 3/23/19 2:22 PM, Bryan Paxton wrote:
>
> No, no... no triggering happened :) It's better to talk than to
> internalize... so I'm glad you brought this up. Communication is the
> only way to resolve misunderstanding :) :heart:
>
> --
>
> Bryan
>
>
> On 3/23/19 1:15 PM, arif wrote:
>> ok. i’ll take your word for it. it’s quite possible i got it wrong
>> and i’m sorry to have triggered this then.
>> thanks for sharing your thoughts
>> Arif
>>
>>
>>
>> On 23 Mar 2019, at 18:22, Bryan Paxton <starbelly@REDACTED
>> <mailto:starbelly@REDACTED>> wrote:
>>
>>> FWIW the speaker in question has never come across to me as being
>>> hostile towards Erlang, etc. They have always been very laid back,
>>> open to ideas, erlang, etc. In fact, I was talking to them about
>>> Erlang earlier this week and they encouraged me to talk about Erlang
>>> in an Elixir dominated environment :) So, I have to assume that
>>> things came across the wrong way due to language barriers, etc.
>>> Jokes in particular get lost in translation easily and can be seen
>>> as something hostile or malicious... The folly of language.
>>>
>>> Then there's always the possibility the talk was a behavioral
>>> experiment :)
>>>
>>> But I'm glad we got a line of communication open as that's the
>>> only way that squashes these issues. The BEAM communities need group
>>> therapy sometimes IMO :)
>>>
>>> There's been a lot of hostility from the Erlang community towards
>>> Elixir in the past... and I wonder if the echoes of all that are so
>>> ingrained in some of us that we have knee jerk reactions sometimes
>>> (i.e., we hear something from an Elixir speaker and absolutely take
>>> it the wrong way). Having come from Elixir to Erlang I very much
>>> have seen both sides of that coin. I know this much....
>>>
>>> The main thing... Elixir is Erlang, LFE is Elang, Efene is Erlang,
>>> Gleam is Erlang, etc.... While from one side it appears Elixir is
>>> another language... I don't think many, especially in the Elixir
>>> community feel that way... especially core members, syntactical
>>> differences aside Elixir is erlang. BEAM on!
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Bryan
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/23/19 11:57 AM, Oliver Korpilla wrote:
>>>> I hear you. One can only hope. Those things always happen, though,
>>>> almost invariably. I guess it has mostly to do with the desire to
>>>> carve one's own niche.
>>>> *Gesendet:* Samstag, 23. März 2019 um 17:46 Uhr
>>>> *Von:* "Bryan Paxton" <starbelly@REDACTED>
>>>> *An:* "Oliver Korpilla" <Oliver.Korpilla@REDACTED>
>>>> *Cc:* arif@REDACTED, erlang-questions@REDACTED
>>>> *Betreff:* Re: Aw: Re: [erlang-questions] Elixir community, please
>>>> be more responsible; Erlang community, please demand it.
>>>>
>>>> I hear ya... I was being lazy :) I see who it is and I have to
>>>> wonder if some of what he said was in gest? Maybe just didn't come
>>>> across right? I hope so :(
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Bryan
>>>>
>>>> On 3/23/19 11:44 AM, Oliver Korpilla wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'd prefer no calling out of the name, what good will that do?
>>>> *Gesendet:* Samstag, 23. März 2019 um 17:36 Uhr
>>>> *Von:* "Bryan Paxton" <starbelly@REDACTED>
>>>> *An:* arif@REDACTED, erlang-questions@REDACTED
>>>> *Betreff:* Re: [erlang-questions] Elixir community, please be
>>>> more responsible; Erlang community, please demand it.
>>>> Who was the speaker?
>>>>
>>>> On 3/23/19 11:13 AM, arif@REDACTED wrote:
>>>> > Yesterday I attended the Code Beam Lite conference in
>>>> Bologna, Italy. It
>>>> > ended with a keynote by an Elixir Core Team member, entitled
>>>> "Elixir
>>>> > Architecture 101".
>>>> >
>>>> > At the end of an otherwise interesting talk, which started
>>>> with the
>>>> > presenter saying he hated Erlang (some in the audience found
>>>> it funny)
>>>> > and in which he occasionally made fun of Joe and of the perceived
>>>> > shortcomings of Erlang, I couldn’t help wonder where Elixir
>>>> was in all
>>>> > that talk, since the “Elixir” architecture presented, was
>>>> practically
>>>> > OTP.
>>>> >
>>>> > I find this very much in bad taste and not helpful towards a
>>>> beneficial
>>>> > sharing and spreading of knowledge. I don’t know if the Code
>>>> of Conduct
>>>> > of the Code Beam conferences contemplates this, but I would
>>>> favour
>>>> > forbidding it.
>>>> >
>>>> > If Elixir has something good to offer, and I think it has,
>>>> let its
>>>> > community showcase that, advance the common good and
>>>> knowledge, and not
>>>> > promote its cause through what, in my eyes, would amount to
>>>> plagiarism,
>>>> > viz. letting things pass for Elixir, when they are
>>>> Erlang/OTP, nor
>>>> > through ridiculing anyone or anything, least of all the very
>>>> things or
>>>> > persons that made it even possible. It not only looks
>>>> childish to me, I
>>>> > believe it is also damaging to the many excellent minds in
>>>> the very
>>>> > Elixir community.
>>>> >
>>>> > Elixir community, please be more responsible; Erlang
>>>> community, please
>>>> > demand it.
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