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<p><font face="DejaVu Sans">WTF! They are messing up with Joe?! No
triggering...internalize what? What's his name and address?!!
I'm flying in. Need a bottle of scotch and a map in that same
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/23/19 2:22 PM, Bryan Paxton wrote:<br>
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<p> No, no... no triggering happened :) It's better to talk than
to internalize... so I'm glad you brought this up. Communication
is the only way to resolve misunderstanding :) :heart: <br>
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<p>Bryan</p>
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<div dir="ltr">ok. i’ll take your word for it. it’s quite
possible i got it wrong and i’m sorry to have triggered this
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<div dir="ltr">thanks for sharing your thoughts </div>
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On 23 Mar 2019, at 18:22, Bryan Paxton <<a
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<p> FWIW the speaker in question has never come across to me
as being hostile towards Erlang, etc. They have always
been very laid back, open to ideas, erlang, etc. In fact,
I was talking to them about Erlang earlier this week and
they encouraged me to talk about Erlang in an Elixir
dominated environment :) So, I have to assume that things
came across the wrong way due to language barriers, etc.
Jokes in particular get lost in translation easily and can
be seen as something hostile or malicious... The folly of
language. <br>
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<p> Then there's always the possibility the talk was a
behavioral experiment :) <br>
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<p> But I'm glad we got a line of communication open as
that's the only way that squashes these issues. The BEAM
communities need group therapy sometimes IMO :) <br>
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<p> There's been a lot of hostility from the Erlang
community towards Elixir in the past... and I wonder if
the echoes of all that are so ingrained in some of us that
we have knee jerk reactions sometimes (i.e., we hear
something from an Elixir speaker and absolutely take it
the wrong way). Having come from Elixir to Erlang I very
much have seen both sides of that coin. I know this
much.... <br>
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<p> The main thing... Elixir is Erlang, LFE is Elang, Efene
is Erlang, Gleam is Erlang, etc.... While from one side it
appears Elixir is another language... I don't think many,
especially in the Elixir community feel that way...
especially core members, syntactical differences aside
Elixir is erlang. BEAM on!<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/23/19 11:57 AM, Oliver
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<div>I hear you. One can only hope. Those things always
happen, though, almost invariably. I guess it has
mostly to do with the desire to carve one's own niche.
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<div style="margin:0 0 10px 0;"><b>Gesendet:</b> Samstag,
23. März 2019 um 17:46 Uhr<br>
<b>Von:</b> "Bryan Paxton" <a
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href="mailto:starbelly@pobox.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><starbelly@pobox.com></a><br>
<b>An:</b> "Oliver Korpilla" <a
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href="mailto:Oliver.Korpilla@gmx.de"
moz-do-not-send="true"><Oliver.Korpilla@gmx.de></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:arif@riseup.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">arif@riseup.net</a>, <a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:erlang-questions@erlang.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">erlang-questions@erlang.org</a><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: Aw: Re: [erlang-questions]
Elixir community, please be more responsible;
Erlang community, please demand it.</div>
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<p> I hear ya... I was being lazy :) I see who
it is and I have to wonder if some of what
he said was in gest? Maybe just didn't come
across right? I hope so :(</p>
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<p>Bryan</p>
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<div>I'd prefer no calling out of the
name, what good will that do?</div>
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<div style="margin: 0 0 10.0px 0;"><b>Gesendet:</b> Samstag,
23. März 2019 um 17:36 Uhr<br>
<b>Von:</b> "Bryan Paxton" <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:starbelly@pobox.com"
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<b>An:</b> <a
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href="mailto:arif@riseup.net"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">arif@riseup.net</a>,
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:erlang-questions@erlang.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">erlang-questions@erlang.org</a><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re:
[erlang-questions] Elixir community,
please be more responsible; Erlang
community, please demand it.</div>
<div> Who was the speaker?<br>
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On 3/23/19 11:13 AM, <a
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href="mailto:arif@riseup.net"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">arif@riseup.net</a>
wrote:<br>
> Yesterday I attended the Code
Beam Lite conference in Bologna,
Italy. It<br>
> ended with a keynote by an
Elixir Core Team member, entitled
"Elixir<br>
> Architecture 101".<br>
><br>
> At the end of an otherwise
interesting talk, which started with
the<br>
> presenter saying he hated
Erlang (some in the audience found
it funny)<br>
> and in which he occasionally
made fun of Joe and of the perceived<br>
> shortcomings of Erlang, I
couldn’t help wonder where Elixir
was in all<br>
> that talk, since the “Elixir”
architecture presented, was
practically<br>
> OTP.<br>
><br>
> I find this very much in bad
taste and not helpful towards a
beneficial<br>
> sharing and spreading of
knowledge. I don’t know if the Code
of Conduct<br>
> of the Code Beam conferences
contemplates this, but I would
favour<br>
> forbidding it.<br>
><br>
> If Elixir has something good to
offer, and I think it has, let its<br>
> community showcase that,
advance the common good and
knowledge, and not<br>
> promote its cause through what,
in my eyes, would amount to
plagiarism,<br>
> viz. letting things pass for
Elixir, when they are Erlang/OTP,
nor<br>
> through ridiculing anyone or
anything, least of all the very
things or<br>
> persons that made it even
possible. It not only looks childish
to me, I<br>
> believe it is also damaging to
the many excellent minds in the very<br>
> Elixir community.<br>
><br>
> Elixir community, please be
more responsible; Erlang community,
please<br>
> demand it.<br>
>
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