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    <p><font face="DejaVu Sans">WTF!  They are messing up with Joe?!  No
        triggering...internalize what?  What's his name and address?!! 
        I'm flying in.  Need a bottle of scotch and a map in that same
        order.  LOL!</font><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/23/19 2:22 PM, Bryan Paxton wrote:<br>
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      <p> No, no... no triggering happened :) It's better to talk than
        to internalize... so I'm glad you brought this up. Communication
        is the only way to resolve misunderstanding :) :heart: <br>
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      <p>--</p>
      <p>Bryan</p>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/23/19 1:15 PM, arif wrote:<br>
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        <div dir="ltr">ok. i’ll take your word for it. it’s quite
          possible i got it wrong  and i’m sorry to have triggered this
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        <div dir="ltr">thanks for sharing your thoughts </div>
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          On 23 Mar 2019, at 18:22, Bryan Paxton <<a
            href="mailto:starbelly@pobox.com" moz-do-not-send="true">starbelly@pobox.com</a>>
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            <p> FWIW the speaker in question has never come across to me
              as being hostile towards Erlang, etc. They have always
              been very laid back, open to ideas, erlang, etc. In fact,
              I was talking to them about Erlang earlier this week and
              they encouraged me to talk about Erlang in an Elixir
              dominated environment :) So, I have to assume that things
              came across the wrong way due to language barriers, etc. 
              Jokes in particular get lost in translation easily and can
              be seen as something hostile or malicious...  The folly of
              language. <br>
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            <p> Then there's always the possibility the talk was a
              behavioral experiment :) <br>
            </p>
            <p>   But I'm glad we got a line of communication open as
              that's the only way that squashes these issues. The BEAM
              communities need group therapy sometimes IMO :) <br>
            </p>
            <p> There's been a lot of hostility from the Erlang
              community towards Elixir in the past... and I wonder if
              the echoes of all that are so ingrained in some of us that
              we have knee jerk reactions sometimes (i.e., we hear
              something from an Elixir speaker and absolutely take it
              the wrong way). Having come from Elixir to Erlang I very
              much have seen both sides of that coin. I know this
              much.... <br>
            </p>
            <p> The main thing... Elixir is Erlang, LFE is Elang, Efene
              is Erlang, Gleam is Erlang, etc.... While from one side it
              appears Elixir is another language... I don't think many,
              especially in the Elixir community feel that way...
              especially core members, syntactical differences aside
              Elixir is erlang. BEAM on!<br>
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            <p>--</p>
            <p>Bryan<br>
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            <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/23/19 11:57 AM, Oliver
              Korpilla wrote:<br>
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                <div>I hear you. One can only hope. Those things always
                  happen, though, almost invariably. I guess it has
                  mostly to do with the desire to carve one's own niche.
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                      <div style="margin:0 0 10px 0;"><b>Gesendet:</b> Samstag,
                        23. März 2019 um 17:46 Uhr<br>
                        <b>Von:</b> "Bryan Paxton" <a
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                          href="mailto:starbelly@pobox.com"
                          moz-do-not-send="true"><starbelly@pobox.com></a><br>
                        <b>An:</b> "Oliver Korpilla" <a
                          class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                          href="mailto:Oliver.Korpilla@gmx.de"
                          moz-do-not-send="true"><Oliver.Korpilla@gmx.de></a><br>
                        <b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                          href="mailto:arif@riseup.net"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">arif@riseup.net</a>, <a
                          class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                          href="mailto:erlang-questions@erlang.org"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">erlang-questions@erlang.org</a><br>
                        <b>Betreff:</b> Re: Aw: Re: [erlang-questions]
                        Elixir community, please be more responsible;
                        Erlang community, please demand it.</div>
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                          <p> I hear ya... I was being lazy :) I see who
                            it is and I have to wonder if some of what
                            he said was in gest? Maybe just didn't come
                            across right? I hope so :(</p>
                          <p> </p>
                          <p>--</p>
                          <p>Bryan</p>
                          <p> </p>
                          <p> </p>
                          <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/23/19 11:44
                            AM, Oliver Korpilla wrote:</div>
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                              <div>I'd prefer no calling out of the
                                name, what good will that do?</div>
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                                  <div style="margin: 0 0 10.0px 0;"><b>Gesendet:</b> Samstag,
                                    23. März 2019 um 17:36 Uhr<br>
                                    <b>Von:</b> "Bryan Paxton" <a
                                      class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                                      href="mailto:starbelly@pobox.com"
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                                    <b>An:</b> <a
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                                      href="mailto:arif@riseup.net"
                                      target="_blank"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true">arif@riseup.net</a>,
                                    <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:erlang-questions@erlang.org" target="_blank"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true">erlang-questions@erlang.org</a><br>
                                    <b>Betreff:</b> Re:
                                    [erlang-questions] Elixir community,
                                    please be more responsible; Erlang
                                    community, please demand it.</div>
                                  <div> Who was the speaker?<br>
                                    <br>
                                    On 3/23/19 11:13 AM, <a
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                                    wrote:<br>
                                    > Yesterday I attended the Code
                                    Beam Lite conference in Bologna,
                                    Italy. It<br>
                                    > ended with a keynote by an
                                    Elixir Core Team member, entitled
                                    "Elixir<br>
                                    > Architecture 101".<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    > At the end of an otherwise
                                    interesting talk, which started with
                                    the<br>
                                    > presenter saying he hated
                                    Erlang (some in the audience found
                                    it funny)<br>
                                    > and in which he occasionally
                                    made fun of Joe and of the perceived<br>
                                    > shortcomings of Erlang, I
                                    couldn’t help wonder where Elixir
                                    was in all<br>
                                    > that talk, since the “Elixir”
                                    architecture presented, was
                                    practically<br>
                                    > OTP.<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    > I find this very much in bad
                                    taste and not helpful towards a
                                    beneficial<br>
                                    > sharing and spreading of
                                    knowledge. I don’t know if the Code
                                    of Conduct<br>
                                    > of the Code Beam conferences
                                    contemplates this, but I would
                                    favour<br>
                                    > forbidding it.<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    > If Elixir has something good to
                                    offer, and I think it has, let its<br>
                                    > community showcase that,
                                    advance the common good and
                                    knowledge, and not<br>
                                    > promote its cause through what,
                                    in my eyes, would amount to
                                    plagiarism,<br>
                                    > viz. letting things pass for
                                    Elixir, when they are Erlang/OTP,
                                    nor<br>
                                    > through ridiculing anyone or
                                    anything, least of all the very
                                    things or<br>
                                    > persons that made it even
                                    possible. It not only looks childish
                                    to me, I<br>
                                    > believe it is also damaging to
                                    the many excellent minds in the very<br>
                                    > Elixir community.<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    > Elixir community, please be
                                    more responsible; Erlang community,
                                    please<br>
                                    > demand it.<br>
                                    >
                                    _______________________________________________<br>
                                    > erlang-questions mailing list<br>
                                    > <a
                                      class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                                      href="mailto:erlang-questions@erlang.org"
                                      target="_blank"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true">erlang-questions@erlang.org</a><br>
                                    > <a
                                      href="http://erlang.org/mailman/listinfo/erlang-questions"
                                      target="_blank"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true">http://erlang.org/mailman/listinfo/erlang-questions</a><br>
_______________________________________________<br>
                                    erlang-questions mailing list<br>
                                    <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:erlang-questions@erlang.org" target="_blank"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true">erlang-questions@erlang.org</a><br>
                                    <a
                                      href="http://erlang.org/mailman/listinfo/erlang-questions"
                                      target="_blank"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true">http://erlang.org/mailman/listinfo/erlang-questions</a></div>
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