[erlang-questions] Elixir community, please be more responsible; Erlang community, please demand it.

[Bryan Paxton]

 No, no... no triggering happened :) It's better to talk than to
internalize... so I'm glad you brought this up. Communication is the
only way to resolve misunderstanding :) :heart:

--

Bryan


On 3/23/19 1:15 PM, arif wrote:
> ok. i’ll take your word for it. it’s quite possible i got it wrong
>  and i’m sorry to have triggered this then. 
> thanks for sharing your thoughts 
> Arif
>
>
>
> On 23 Mar 2019, at 18:22, Bryan Paxton <starbelly@REDACTED
> <mailto:starbelly@REDACTED>> wrote:
>
>>  FWIW the speaker in question has never come across to me as being
>> hostile towards Erlang, etc. They have always been very laid back,
>> open to ideas, erlang, etc. In fact, I was talking to them about
>> Erlang earlier this week and they encouraged me to talk about Erlang
>> in an Elixir dominated environment :) So, I have to assume that
>> things came across the wrong way due to language barriers, etc. 
>> Jokes in particular get lost in translation easily and can be seen as
>> something hostile or malicious...  The folly of language.
>>
>>  Then there's always the possibility the talk was a behavioral
>> experiment :)
>>
>>    But I'm glad we got a line of communication open as that's the
>> only way that squashes these issues. The BEAM communities need group
>> therapy sometimes IMO :)
>>
>>  There's been a lot of hostility from the Erlang community towards
>> Elixir in the past... and I wonder if the echoes of all that are so
>> ingrained in some of us that we have knee jerk reactions sometimes
>> (i.e., we hear something from an Elixir speaker and absolutely take
>> it the wrong way). Having come from Elixir to Erlang I very much have
>> seen both sides of that coin. I know this much....
>>
>>  The main thing... Elixir is Erlang, LFE is Elang, Efene is Erlang,
>> Gleam is Erlang, etc.... While from one side it appears Elixir is
>> another language... I don't think many, especially in the Elixir
>> community feel that way... especially core members, syntactical
>> differences aside Elixir is erlang. BEAM on!
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Bryan
>>
>>
>> On 3/23/19 11:57 AM, Oliver Korpilla wrote:
>>> I hear you. One can only hope. Those things always happen, though,
>>> almost invariably. I guess it has mostly to do with the desire to
>>> carve one's own niche.
>>>  
>>> *Gesendet:* Samstag, 23. März 2019 um 17:46 Uhr
>>> *Von:* "Bryan Paxton" <starbelly@REDACTED>
>>> *An:* "Oliver Korpilla" <Oliver.Korpilla@REDACTED>
>>> *Cc:* arif@REDACTED, erlang-questions@REDACTED
>>> *Betreff:* Re: Aw: Re: [erlang-questions] Elixir community, please
>>> be more responsible; Erlang community, please demand it.
>>>
>>>  I hear ya... I was being lazy :) I see who it is and I have to
>>> wonder if some of what he said was in gest? Maybe just didn't come
>>> across right? I hope so :(
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Bryan
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> On 3/23/19 11:44 AM, Oliver Korpilla wrote:
>>>
>>>     I'd prefer no calling out of the name, what good will that do?
>>>      
>>>     *Gesendet:* Samstag, 23. März 2019 um 17:36 Uhr
>>>     *Von:* "Bryan Paxton" <starbelly@REDACTED>
>>>     *An:* arif@REDACTED, erlang-questions@REDACTED
>>>     *Betreff:* Re: [erlang-questions] Elixir community, please be
>>>     more responsible; Erlang community, please demand it.
>>>      Who was the speaker?
>>>
>>>     On 3/23/19 11:13 AM, arif@REDACTED wrote:
>>>     > Yesterday I attended the Code Beam Lite conference in Bologna,
>>>     Italy. It
>>>     > ended with a keynote by an Elixir Core Team member, entitled
>>>     "Elixir
>>>     > Architecture 101".
>>>     >
>>>     > At the end of an otherwise interesting talk, which started
>>>     with the
>>>     > presenter saying he hated Erlang (some in the audience found
>>>     it funny)
>>>     > and in which he occasionally made fun of Joe and of the perceived
>>>     > shortcomings of Erlang, I couldn’t help wonder where Elixir
>>>     was in all
>>>     > that talk, since the “Elixir” architecture presented, was
>>>     practically
>>>     > OTP.
>>>     >
>>>     > I find this very much in bad taste and not helpful towards a
>>>     beneficial
>>>     > sharing and spreading of knowledge. I don’t know if the Code
>>>     of Conduct
>>>     > of the Code Beam conferences contemplates this, but I would favour
>>>     > forbidding it.
>>>     >
>>>     > If Elixir has something good to offer, and I think it has, let its
>>>     > community showcase that, advance the common good and
>>>     knowledge, and not
>>>     > promote its cause through what, in my eyes, would amount to
>>>     plagiarism,
>>>     > viz. letting things pass for Elixir, when they are Erlang/OTP, nor
>>>     > through ridiculing anyone or anything, least of all the very
>>>     things or
>>>     > persons that made it even possible. It not only looks childish
>>>     to me, I
>>>     > believe it is also damaging to the many excellent minds in the
>>>     very
>>>     > Elixir community.
>>>     >
>>>     > Elixir community, please be more responsible; Erlang
>>>     community, please
>>>     > demand it.
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