[erlang-questions] Elixir community, please be more responsible; Erlang community, please demand it.
Bryan Paxton
starbelly@REDACTED
Sat Mar 23 20:27:12 CET 2019
You need a lagom bottles of scotch :)
On 3/23/19 2:21 PM, alex@REDACTED wrote:
>
> WTF! They are messing up with Joe?! No triggering...internalize
> what? What's his name and address?!! I'm flying in. Need a bottle
> of scotch and a map in that same order. LOL!
>
> On 3/23/19 2:22 PM, Bryan Paxton wrote:
>>
>> No, no... no triggering happened :) It's better to talk than to
>> internalize... so I'm glad you brought this up. Communication is the
>> only way to resolve misunderstanding :) :heart:
>>
>> --
>>
>> Bryan
>>
>>
>> On 3/23/19 1:15 PM, arif wrote:
>>> ok. i’ll take your word for it. it’s quite possible i got it wrong
>>> and i’m sorry to have triggered this then.
>>> thanks for sharing your thoughts
>>> Arif
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 23 Mar 2019, at 18:22, Bryan Paxton <starbelly@REDACTED
>>> <mailto:starbelly@REDACTED>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> FWIW the speaker in question has never come across to me as being
>>>> hostile towards Erlang, etc. They have always been very laid back,
>>>> open to ideas, erlang, etc. In fact, I was talking to them about
>>>> Erlang earlier this week and they encouraged me to talk about
>>>> Erlang in an Elixir dominated environment :) So, I have to assume
>>>> that things came across the wrong way due to language barriers,
>>>> etc. Jokes in particular get lost in translation easily and can be
>>>> seen as something hostile or malicious... The folly of language.
>>>>
>>>> Then there's always the possibility the talk was a behavioral
>>>> experiment :)
>>>>
>>>> But I'm glad we got a line of communication open as that's the
>>>> only way that squashes these issues. The BEAM communities need
>>>> group therapy sometimes IMO :)
>>>>
>>>> There's been a lot of hostility from the Erlang community towards
>>>> Elixir in the past... and I wonder if the echoes of all that are so
>>>> ingrained in some of us that we have knee jerk reactions sometimes
>>>> (i.e., we hear something from an Elixir speaker and absolutely take
>>>> it the wrong way). Having come from Elixir to Erlang I very much
>>>> have seen both sides of that coin. I know this much....
>>>>
>>>> The main thing... Elixir is Erlang, LFE is Elang, Efene is Erlang,
>>>> Gleam is Erlang, etc.... While from one side it appears Elixir is
>>>> another language... I don't think many, especially in the Elixir
>>>> community feel that way... especially core members, syntactical
>>>> differences aside Elixir is erlang. BEAM on!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Bryan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3/23/19 11:57 AM, Oliver Korpilla wrote:
>>>>> I hear you. One can only hope. Those things always happen, though,
>>>>> almost invariably. I guess it has mostly to do with the desire to
>>>>> carve one's own niche.
>>>>>
>>>>> *Gesendet:* Samstag, 23. März 2019 um 17:46 Uhr
>>>>> *Von:* "Bryan Paxton" <starbelly@REDACTED>
>>>>> *An:* "Oliver Korpilla" <Oliver.Korpilla@REDACTED>
>>>>> *Cc:* arif@REDACTED, erlang-questions@REDACTED
>>>>> *Betreff:* Re: Aw: Re: [erlang-questions] Elixir community, please
>>>>> be more responsible; Erlang community, please demand it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hear ya... I was being lazy :) I see who it is and I have to
>>>>> wonder if some of what he said was in gest? Maybe just didn't come
>>>>> across right? I hope so :(
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Bryan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/23/19 11:44 AM, Oliver Korpilla wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd prefer no calling out of the name, what good will that do?
>>>>>
>>>>> *Gesendet:* Samstag, 23. März 2019 um 17:36 Uhr
>>>>> *Von:* "Bryan Paxton" <starbelly@REDACTED>
>>>>> *An:* arif@REDACTED, erlang-questions@REDACTED
>>>>> *Betreff:* Re: [erlang-questions] Elixir community, please be
>>>>> more responsible; Erlang community, please demand it.
>>>>> Who was the speaker?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/23/19 11:13 AM, arif@REDACTED wrote:
>>>>> > Yesterday I attended the Code Beam Lite conference in
>>>>> Bologna, Italy. It
>>>>> > ended with a keynote by an Elixir Core Team member, entitled
>>>>> "Elixir
>>>>> > Architecture 101".
>>>>> >
>>>>> > At the end of an otherwise interesting talk, which started
>>>>> with the
>>>>> > presenter saying he hated Erlang (some in the audience found
>>>>> it funny)
>>>>> > and in which he occasionally made fun of Joe and of the
>>>>> perceived
>>>>> > shortcomings of Erlang, I couldn’t help wonder where Elixir
>>>>> was in all
>>>>> > that talk, since the “Elixir” architecture presented, was
>>>>> practically
>>>>> > OTP.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I find this very much in bad taste and not helpful towards a
>>>>> beneficial
>>>>> > sharing and spreading of knowledge. I don’t know if the Code
>>>>> of Conduct
>>>>> > of the Code Beam conferences contemplates this, but I would
>>>>> favour
>>>>> > forbidding it.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > If Elixir has something good to offer, and I think it has,
>>>>> let its
>>>>> > community showcase that, advance the common good and
>>>>> knowledge, and not
>>>>> > promote its cause through what, in my eyes, would amount to
>>>>> plagiarism,
>>>>> > viz. letting things pass for Elixir, when they are
>>>>> Erlang/OTP, nor
>>>>> > through ridiculing anyone or anything, least of all the very
>>>>> things or
>>>>> > persons that made it even possible. It not only looks
>>>>> childish to me, I
>>>>> > believe it is also damaging to the many excellent minds in
>>>>> the very
>>>>> > Elixir community.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Elixir community, please be more responsible; Erlang
>>>>> community, please
>>>>> > demand it.
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