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<p> You need a lagom bottles of scotch :) <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/23/19 2:21 PM, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:alex@xbasics.com">alex@xbasics.com</a>
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<p><font face="DejaVu Sans">WTF! They are messing up with Joe?!
No triggering...internalize what? What's his name and
address?!! I'm flying in. Need a bottle of scotch and a map
in that same order. LOL!</font><br>
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<p> No, no... no triggering happened :) It's better to talk than
to internalize... so I'm glad you brought this up.
Communication is the only way to resolve misunderstanding :)
:heart: <br>
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<p>Bryan</p>
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<div dir="ltr">ok. i’ll take your word for it. it’s quite
possible i got it wrong and i’m sorry to have triggered
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On 23 Mar 2019, at 18:22, Bryan Paxton <<a
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<p> FWIW the speaker in question has never come across to
me as being hostile towards Erlang, etc. They have
always been very laid back, open to ideas, erlang, etc.
In fact, I was talking to them about Erlang earlier this
week and they encouraged me to talk about Erlang in an
Elixir dominated environment :) So, I have to assume
that things came across the wrong way due to language
barriers, etc. Jokes in particular get lost in
translation easily and can be seen as something hostile
or malicious... The folly of language. <br>
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<p> Then there's always the possibility the talk was a
behavioral experiment :) <br>
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<p> But I'm glad we got a line of communication open as
that's the only way that squashes these issues. The BEAM
communities need group therapy sometimes IMO :) <br>
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<p> There's been a lot of hostility from the Erlang
community towards Elixir in the past... and I wonder if
the echoes of all that are so ingrained in some of us
that we have knee jerk reactions sometimes (i.e., we
hear something from an Elixir speaker and absolutely
take it the wrong way). Having come from Elixir to
Erlang I very much have seen both sides of that coin. I
know this much.... <br>
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<p> The main thing... Elixir is Erlang, LFE is Elang,
Efene is Erlang, Gleam is Erlang, etc.... While from one
side it appears Elixir is another language... I don't
think many, especially in the Elixir community feel that
way... especially core members, syntactical differences
aside Elixir is erlang. BEAM on!<br>
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<div>I hear you. One can only hope. Those things
always happen, though, almost invariably. I guess it
has mostly to do with the desire to carve one's own
niche.
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<div style="margin:0 0 10px 0;"><b>Gesendet:</b> Samstag,
23. März 2019 um 17:46 Uhr<br>
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<b>An:</b> "Oliver Korpilla" <a
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moz-do-not-send="true"><Oliver.Korpilla@gmx.de></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:arif@riseup.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">arif@riseup.net</a>,
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
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moz-do-not-send="true">erlang-questions@erlang.org</a><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: Aw: Re: [erlang-questions]
Elixir community, please be more responsible;
Erlang community, please demand it.</div>
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<p> I hear ya... I was being lazy :) I see
who it is and I have to wonder if some of
what he said was in gest? Maybe just
didn't come across right? I hope so :(</p>
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<div>I'd prefer no calling out of the
name, what good will that do?</div>
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<div style="margin: 0 0 10.0px 0;"><b>Gesendet:</b> Samstag,
23. März 2019 um 17:36 Uhr<br>
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<b>An:</b> <a
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href="mailto:arif@riseup.net"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">arif@riseup.net</a>,
<a
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moz-do-not-send="true">erlang-questions@erlang.org</a><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re:
[erlang-questions] Elixir
community, please be more
responsible; Erlang community,
please demand it.</div>
<div> Who was the speaker?<br>
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> Yesterday I attended the Code
Beam Lite conference in Bologna,
Italy. It<br>
> ended with a keynote by an
Elixir Core Team member, entitled
"Elixir<br>
> Architecture 101".<br>
><br>
> At the end of an otherwise
interesting talk, which started
with the<br>
> presenter saying he hated
Erlang (some in the audience found
it funny)<br>
> and in which he occasionally
made fun of Joe and of the
perceived<br>
> shortcomings of Erlang, I
couldn’t help wonder where Elixir
was in all<br>
> that talk, since the “Elixir”
architecture presented, was
practically<br>
> OTP.<br>
><br>
> I find this very much in bad
taste and not helpful towards a
beneficial<br>
> sharing and spreading of
knowledge. I don’t know if the
Code of Conduct<br>
> of the Code Beam conferences
contemplates this, but I would
favour<br>
> forbidding it.<br>
><br>
> If Elixir has something good
to offer, and I think it has, let
its<br>
> community showcase that,
advance the common good and
knowledge, and not<br>
> promote its cause through
what, in my eyes, would amount to
plagiarism,<br>
> viz. letting things pass for
Elixir, when they are Erlang/OTP,
nor<br>
> through ridiculing anyone or
anything, least of all the very
things or<br>
> persons that made it even
possible. It not only looks
childish to me, I<br>
> believe it is also damaging
to the many excellent minds in the
very<br>
> Elixir community.<br>
><br>
> Elixir community, please be
more responsible; Erlang
community, please<br>
> demand it.<br>
>
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