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    <p> No, no... no triggering happened :) It's better to talk than to
      internalize... so I'm glad you brought this up. Communication is
      the only way to resolve misunderstanding :) :heart: <br>
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    <p>--</p>
    <p>Bryan</p>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/23/19 1:15 PM, arif wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">ok. i’ll take your word for it. it’s quite possible
        i got it wrong  and i’m sorry to have triggered this then. </div>
      <div dir="ltr">thanks for sharing your thoughts </div>
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        On 23 Mar 2019, at 18:22, Bryan Paxton <<a
          href="mailto:starbelly@pobox.com" moz-do-not-send="true">starbelly@pobox.com</a>>
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          <p> FWIW the speaker in question has never come across to me
            as being hostile towards Erlang, etc. They have always been
            very laid back, open to ideas, erlang, etc. In fact, I was
            talking to them about Erlang earlier this week and they
            encouraged me to talk about Erlang in an Elixir dominated
            environment :) So, I have to assume that things came across
            the wrong way due to language barriers, etc.  Jokes in
            particular get lost in translation easily and can be seen as
            something hostile or malicious...  The folly of language. <br>
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          <p> Then there's always the possibility the talk was a
            behavioral experiment :) <br>
          </p>
          <p>   But I'm glad we got a line of communication open as
            that's the only way that squashes these issues. The BEAM
            communities need group therapy sometimes IMO :) <br>
          </p>
          <p> There's been a lot of hostility from the Erlang community
            towards Elixir in the past... and I wonder if the echoes of
            all that are so ingrained in some of us that we have knee
            jerk reactions sometimes (i.e., we hear something from an
            Elixir speaker and absolutely take it the wrong way). Having
            come from Elixir to Erlang I very much have seen both sides
            of that coin. I know this much.... <br>
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          <p> The main thing... Elixir is Erlang, LFE is Elang, Efene is
            Erlang, Gleam is Erlang, etc.... While from one side it
            appears Elixir is another language... I don't think many,
            especially in the Elixir community feel that way...
            especially core members, syntactical differences aside
            Elixir is erlang. BEAM on!<br>
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          <p>--</p>
          <p>Bryan<br>
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          <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/23/19 11:57 AM, Oliver
            Korpilla wrote:<br>
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              <div>I hear you. One can only hope. Those things always
                happen, though, almost invariably. I guess it has mostly
                to do with the desire to carve one's own niche.
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                    <div style="margin:0 0 10px 0;"><b>Gesendet:</b> Samstag,
                      23. März 2019 um 17:46 Uhr<br>
                      <b>Von:</b> "Bryan Paxton" <a
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                        href="mailto:starbelly@pobox.com"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"><starbelly@pobox.com></a><br>
                      <b>An:</b> "Oliver Korpilla" <a
                        class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                        href="mailto:Oliver.Korpilla@gmx.de"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"><Oliver.Korpilla@gmx.de></a><br>
                      <b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                        href="mailto:arif@riseup.net"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">arif@riseup.net</a>, <a
                        class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                        href="mailto:erlang-questions@erlang.org"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">erlang-questions@erlang.org</a><br>
                      <b>Betreff:</b> Re: Aw: Re: [erlang-questions]
                      Elixir community, please be more responsible;
                      Erlang community, please demand it.</div>
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                        <p> I hear ya... I was being lazy :) I see who
                          it is and I have to wonder if some of what he
                          said was in gest? Maybe just didn't come
                          across right? I hope so :(</p>
                        <p> </p>
                        <p>--</p>
                        <p>Bryan</p>
                        <p> </p>
                        <p> </p>
                        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/23/19 11:44
                          AM, Oliver Korpilla wrote:</div>
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                            <div>I'd prefer no calling out of the name,
                              what good will that do?</div>
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                                <div style="margin: 0 0 10.0px 0;"><b>Gesendet:</b> Samstag,
                                  23. März 2019 um 17:36 Uhr<br>
                                  <b>Von:</b> "Bryan Paxton" <a
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                                    href="mailto:starbelly@pobox.com"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"><starbelly@pobox.com></a><br>
                                  <b>An:</b> <a
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                                    href="mailto:arif@riseup.net"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">arif@riseup.net</a>,
                                  <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                                    href="mailto:erlang-questions@erlang.org"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">erlang-questions@erlang.org</a><br>
                                  <b>Betreff:</b> Re: [erlang-questions]
                                  Elixir community, please be more
                                  responsible; Erlang community, please
                                  demand it.</div>
                                <div> Who was the speaker?<br>
                                  <br>
                                  On 3/23/19 11:13 AM, <a
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                                    href="mailto:arif@riseup.net"
                                    target="_blank"
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                                  wrote:<br>
                                  > Yesterday I attended the Code
                                  Beam Lite conference in Bologna,
                                  Italy. It<br>
                                  > ended with a keynote by an Elixir
                                  Core Team member, entitled "Elixir<br>
                                  > Architecture 101".<br>
                                  ><br>
                                  > At the end of an otherwise
                                  interesting talk, which started with
                                  the<br>
                                  > presenter saying he hated Erlang
                                  (some in the audience found it funny)<br>
                                  > and in which he occasionally made
                                  fun of Joe and of the perceived<br>
                                  > shortcomings of Erlang, I
                                  couldn’t help wonder where Elixir was
                                  in all<br>
                                  > that talk, since the “Elixir”
                                  architecture presented, was
                                  practically<br>
                                  > OTP.<br>
                                  ><br>
                                  > I find this very much in bad
                                  taste and not helpful towards a
                                  beneficial<br>
                                  > sharing and spreading of
                                  knowledge. I don’t know if the Code of
                                  Conduct<br>
                                  > of the Code Beam conferences
                                  contemplates this, but I would favour<br>
                                  > forbidding it.<br>
                                  ><br>
                                  > If Elixir has something good to
                                  offer, and I think it has, let its<br>
                                  > community showcase that, advance
                                  the common good and knowledge, and not<br>
                                  > promote its cause through what,
                                  in my eyes, would amount to
                                  plagiarism,<br>
                                  > viz. letting things pass for
                                  Elixir, when they are Erlang/OTP, nor<br>
                                  > through ridiculing anyone or
                                  anything, least of all the very things
                                  or<br>
                                  > persons that made it even
                                  possible. It not only looks childish
                                  to me, I<br>
                                  > believe it is also damaging to
                                  the many excellent minds in the very<br>
                                  > Elixir community.<br>
                                  ><br>
                                  > Elixir community, please be more
                                  responsible; Erlang community, please<br>
                                  > demand it.<br>
                                  >
                                  _______________________________________________<br>
                                  > erlang-questions mailing list<br>
                                  > <a
                                    class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                                    href="mailto:erlang-questions@erlang.org"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">erlang-questions@erlang.org</a><br>
                                  > <a
                                    href="http://erlang.org/mailman/listinfo/erlang-questions"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">http://erlang.org/mailman/listinfo/erlang-questions</a><br>
_______________________________________________<br>
                                  erlang-questions mailing list<br>
                                  <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                                    href="mailto:erlang-questions@erlang.org"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">erlang-questions@erlang.org</a><br>
                                  <a
                                    href="http://erlang.org/mailman/listinfo/erlang-questions"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">http://erlang.org/mailman/listinfo/erlang-questions</a></div>
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