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<p> No, no... no triggering happened :) It's better to talk than to
internalize... so I'm glad you brought this up. Communication is
the only way to resolve misunderstanding :) :heart: <br>
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<div dir="ltr">ok. i’ll take your word for it. it’s quite possible
i got it wrong and i’m sorry to have triggered this then. </div>
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On 23 Mar 2019, at 18:22, Bryan Paxton <<a
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<p> FWIW the speaker in question has never come across to me
as being hostile towards Erlang, etc. They have always been
very laid back, open to ideas, erlang, etc. In fact, I was
talking to them about Erlang earlier this week and they
encouraged me to talk about Erlang in an Elixir dominated
environment :) So, I have to assume that things came across
the wrong way due to language barriers, etc. Jokes in
particular get lost in translation easily and can be seen as
something hostile or malicious... The folly of language. <br>
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<p> Then there's always the possibility the talk was a
behavioral experiment :) <br>
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<p> But I'm glad we got a line of communication open as
that's the only way that squashes these issues. The BEAM
communities need group therapy sometimes IMO :) <br>
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<p> There's been a lot of hostility from the Erlang community
towards Elixir in the past... and I wonder if the echoes of
all that are so ingrained in some of us that we have knee
jerk reactions sometimes (i.e., we hear something from an
Elixir speaker and absolutely take it the wrong way). Having
come from Elixir to Erlang I very much have seen both sides
of that coin. I know this much.... <br>
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<p> The main thing... Elixir is Erlang, LFE is Elang, Efene is
Erlang, Gleam is Erlang, etc.... While from one side it
appears Elixir is another language... I don't think many,
especially in the Elixir community feel that way...
especially core members, syntactical differences aside
Elixir is erlang. BEAM on!<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/23/19 11:57 AM, Oliver
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<div>I hear you. One can only hope. Those things always
happen, though, almost invariably. I guess it has mostly
to do with the desire to carve one's own niche.
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<div style="margin:0 0 10px 0;"><b>Gesendet:</b> Samstag,
23. März 2019 um 17:46 Uhr<br>
<b>Von:</b> "Bryan Paxton" <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:starbelly@pobox.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><starbelly@pobox.com></a><br>
<b>An:</b> "Oliver Korpilla" <a
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href="mailto:Oliver.Korpilla@gmx.de"
moz-do-not-send="true"><Oliver.Korpilla@gmx.de></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:arif@riseup.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">arif@riseup.net</a>, <a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:erlang-questions@erlang.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">erlang-questions@erlang.org</a><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: Aw: Re: [erlang-questions]
Elixir community, please be more responsible;
Erlang community, please demand it.</div>
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<p> I hear ya... I was being lazy :) I see who
it is and I have to wonder if some of what he
said was in gest? Maybe just didn't come
across right? I hope so :(</p>
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<p>Bryan</p>
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<div>I'd prefer no calling out of the name,
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<div style="margin: 0 0 10.0px 0;"><b>Gesendet:</b> Samstag,
23. März 2019 um 17:36 Uhr<br>
<b>Von:</b> "Bryan Paxton" <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:starbelly@pobox.com"
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<b>An:</b> <a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:arif@riseup.net"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">arif@riseup.net</a>,
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:erlang-questions@erlang.org"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">erlang-questions@erlang.org</a><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [erlang-questions]
Elixir community, please be more
responsible; Erlang community, please
demand it.</div>
<div> Who was the speaker?<br>
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On 3/23/19 11:13 AM, <a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:arif@riseup.net"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">arif@riseup.net</a>
wrote:<br>
> Yesterday I attended the Code
Beam Lite conference in Bologna,
Italy. It<br>
> ended with a keynote by an Elixir
Core Team member, entitled "Elixir<br>
> Architecture 101".<br>
><br>
> At the end of an otherwise
interesting talk, which started with
the<br>
> presenter saying he hated Erlang
(some in the audience found it funny)<br>
> and in which he occasionally made
fun of Joe and of the perceived<br>
> shortcomings of Erlang, I
couldn’t help wonder where Elixir was
in all<br>
> that talk, since the “Elixir”
architecture presented, was
practically<br>
> OTP.<br>
><br>
> I find this very much in bad
taste and not helpful towards a
beneficial<br>
> sharing and spreading of
knowledge. I don’t know if the Code of
Conduct<br>
> of the Code Beam conferences
contemplates this, but I would favour<br>
> forbidding it.<br>
><br>
> If Elixir has something good to
offer, and I think it has, let its<br>
> community showcase that, advance
the common good and knowledge, and not<br>
> promote its cause through what,
in my eyes, would amount to
plagiarism,<br>
> viz. letting things pass for
Elixir, when they are Erlang/OTP, nor<br>
> through ridiculing anyone or
anything, least of all the very things
or<br>
> persons that made it even
possible. It not only looks childish
to me, I<br>
> believe it is also damaging to
the many excellent minds in the very<br>
> Elixir community.<br>
><br>
> Elixir community, please be more
responsible; Erlang community, please<br>
> demand it.<br>
>
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