[erlang-questions] A proposal for Unicode variable and atom names in Erlang.

Ivan Uemlianin <>
Mon Oct 22 16:21:10 CEST 2012


Guess how many people going to this training course (including the 
trainers) have good English:

     http://www.cndw.com/course/Technology/flash/2012/0919/377.html

Ivan


On 22/10/2012 15:16, Max Bourinov wrote:
> Please remember that when we talk about those poor guys that know Erlang
> bud doesn't know English we still don't know for sure if they are exists :-)
>
> Best regards,
> Max
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Ulf Wiger <
> <mailto:>> wrote:
>
>
>     On 22 Oct 2012, at 15:49, Michael Richter wrote:
>
>>     Indeed I can't help but notice that all the people arguing for the
>>     status quo benefit from the status quote because they're either:
>>
>>      1. native English speakers; or
>     I'm not, and I believe very few who have commented so far are.
>
>>      2. people who've already expended the wholly unnecessary effort
>>         to learn English just so they could do their real job.
>
>     Wholly unnecessary? This can only possibly be true for people whose
>     native language is big enough that there can be sufficient volumes
>     of high-quality literature about programming and Computer Science.
>
>     In my own experience, studying Engineering in Sweden, so much of the
>     course literature was in English that it would have been
>     near-impossible to make it through without good English skills (of
>     course, a fairly high grade in English is needed just to get in). So
>     for me, the effort was in fact wholly necessary - mandatory, in
>     fact, as English is not an elective in Swedish schools.
>
>     So it seems I fit in neither of your two categories. ;-)
>
>>     Frankly neither has much standing with me when expressing opinions
>>     on language.
>>
>>     The people who do have standing?  They're people like the Chinese
>>     hackers or Japanese hackers or Korean hackers or Indian hackers
>>     you never hear from because they speak to each other instead of you.
>>
>
>     That's a valid point, and although my point was that openness and
>     code sharing should be top priorities for a language like Erlang, I
>     have personally been influential in getting things added to
>     Erlang/OTP that were primarily (or even exclusively) of interest in
>     proprietary settings. The examples that come to mind are the
>     'sensitive' process flag and encrypted debug_info in beam files.
>
>     To further clarify, I'm not necessarily opposed to the suggestion,
>     but am neither entirely convinced that being able to use non-English
>     variable names is that much help (although I'm open to being
>     convinced otherwise). Supporting unicode encoding and comments in
>     foreign languages, surely, and this is also where it really helps to
>     be able to write in a language that you're comfortable in.
>
>     BR,
>     Ulf W
>
>     Ulf Wiger, Co-founder & Developer Advocate, Feuerlabs Inc.
>     http://feuerlabs.com
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