Nobody is unsubscribed

[Raimo Niskanen]

On Mon, Nov 04, 2019 at 10:47:03AM +0100, Adam Lindberg wrote:
> Speaking of servers and domains, when is HTTPS coming to erlang.org and it’s sub-domains?

HTTPS has been active for www.erlang.org and bugs.erlang.org for years.
The recent web server upgrade enabled it for erlang.org as well;
we are working on it...

Best regards
/ Raimo


> 
> Cheers,
> Adam
> 
> > On 2. Nov 2019, at 09:14, Raimo Niskanen <ratmapper@REDACTED> wrote:
> > 
> > Yes it does. It applies to all mailing lists.
> > 
> > Ericsson has got its eyes on mailing lists at erlang.org since it owns the domain.
> > 
> > Best regards
> > / Raimo Niskanen 
> > 
> > Den lör 2 nov. 2019 02:47Richard O'Keefe <raoknz@REDACTED> skrev:
> > Does this apply to the EEPS list as well?
> > 
> > On Sat, 2 Nov 2019 at 04:25, Joe Harrison <joe@REDACTED> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks for doing all of this, regardless.
> > >
> > > There's no perfect way to do mailing lists in a DMARC/DKIM/SPF compliant
> > > way that doesn't break some client's "From:" field, subject line, or
> > > "Reply:" button in some way, but this seems like the least bad option.
> > >
> > > I hope my emails make it through to the list now ^_^
> > >
> > > OT: Be careful of organisations' web contact forms which ask for your
> > > email address. Sometimes their web servers generate an email from the
> > > form using your email address as the "From:" address, which will break a
> > > lot of DKIM/DMARC/SPF stuff.
> > > I know of at least one local authority (council) website in the UK which
> > > is guilty of this.
> > >
> > > - Joe
> > >
> > > On 26/10/2019 07:57, Raimo Niskanen wrote:
> > > > It is mainly "the big ones" that have been affected by stricter DMARC
> > > > policies.
> > > >
> > > > When a subscriber sending from e.g Yahoo gets received by Gmail then
> > > > Gmail rejects that message since Yahoo's DMARC policy says so (also vice
> > > > versa). So the list gets a bounce and eventually blocks the Gmail
> > > > subscriber, if enough in a row happens to send with strict DMARC policies.
> > > >
> > > > So for some it has worked, some gets an annoying list probe every now
> > > > and then, some do not get many posts, but the final nail in the coffin
> > > > was Ericsson (Erlang/OTP's home corporation) that tightened its DMARC
> > > > policy and at the same time told us to get our act together and stop
> > > > sending "unhygienic e-mail".
> > > >
> > > > All the best
> > > > / Raimo
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Den fre 25 okt. 2019 16:58Chris Rempel <csrl@REDACTED
> > > > <mailto:csrl@REDACTED>> skrev:
> > > >
> > > >     Not having the subject contain [erlang-questions] or some other
> > > >     obvious indicator is quite unfortunate.  I guess many people were
> > > >     affected by not being DMARC compliant?  It seems to have been
> > > >     working just fine for quite some time... ie it "works for me" as it was.
> > > >
> > > >     That said, thanks for maintaining the list, and keeping it going.
> > > >     It is a most useful resource.
> > > >
> > > >     Chris
> > > >
> > > >     *Sent:* Friday, October 25, 2019 at 7:38 AM
> > > >     *From:* "Raimo Niskanen" <ratmapper@REDACTED
> > > >     <mailto:ratmapper@REDACTED>>
> > > >     *To:* erlang-questions@REDACTED <mailto:erlang-questions@REDACTED>
> > > >     *Subject:* Re: Nobody is unsubscribed
> > > >     To achieve DMARC compliance we have stopped changing the Subject:
> > > >     field and no longer add the mailing list footer to the messages.
> > > >
> > > >     This is because From: Subject: and mail body among other fields are
> > > >     often DKIM signed, so if we should change them we would not pass DKIM
> > > >     signature check and thereby not be DMARC compliant.
> > > >
> > > >     Sorry for the inconvenience, we do not make the rules...
> > > >     / Raimo Niskanen
> > > >
> > > >     On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 3:23 PM Raimo Niskanen <ratmapper@REDACTED
> > > >     <mailto:ratmapper@REDACTED>> wrote:
> > > >     >
> > > >     > The reason we changed mailing list servers was to get better DMARC and
> > > >     > DKIM compliance. This is a test post for us to inspect its headers...
> > > >     > --
> > > >     > Raimo Niskanen
> > > >
> > >
> 

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/ Raimo Niskanen, Erlang/OTP, Ericsson AB