[erlang-questions] GUI development with Erlang

Thu Dec 7 21:51:14 CET 2017

Hello world (or rather a little window with a couple of buttons)
in Qt is 33KB - only 3484 times smaller.

Which probably explain why Qt is more popular for building apps than
Electron.

Being an old timer I recall a time when the entire OS including the
windowing system and a large number of applications all fitted in
under 640KB :-)

Where did we go wrong ?

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 6:46 PM, Thomas Elsgaard <thomas.elsgaard@REDACTED>
wrote:

> Hello World is 115 MB ;-)
>
> tor. 7. dec. 2017 kl. 16.10 skrev Joe Armstrong <erlang@REDACTED>:
>
>> How big are the applications built with Electron?
>>
>> /Joe
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 3:32 PM, Zachary Kessin <zkessin@REDACTED> wrote:
>>
>>> I was thinking of something like Electron https://electronjs.org/ with
>>> an Erlang backend.
>>>
>>> Mind I have no idea how to actually build that
>>>
>>> Zach
>>> ᐧ
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 2:50 PM, Joe Armstrong <erlang@REDACTED> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you want something that just works and is reasonably simple to
>>>> implement
>>>> Browser based GUI's are pretty good.
>>>>
>>>> The combination of web sockets + SVG/Canavas/DOM manipulation in JS
>>>> is pretty easy to setup and loads of people understand JS/Browser
>>>> things.
>>>>
>>>> Stand-alone outside the browser is tricky.
>>>>
>>>> TCL/Tk is really easy to get going and interface (yes it's old but
>>>> works well)
>>>>
>>>> Java Swing is what it is - and if you're good at Java might be an
>>>> alternative
>>>> but you'd have to interface it to Erlang.
>>>>
>>>> QT is brilliant but you'd need to write the GUI in C++ and interface it
>>>> to Erlang
>>>>
>>>> WxWidgets is actually pretty good but has a steep learning curve (a
>>>> cliff) -
>>>> I did actually manage to build some interfaces with it and concluded
>>>> that
>>>> it was pretty good but that it needed a *lot* of examples and getting
>>>> started
>>>> tutorials.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> /Joe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 12:43 PM, Alan Gingras <alangingras@REDACTED>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the suggestion.  I've been trying to keep the work totally
>>>>> in Erlang.  Partly because I am trying to become better with Erlang itself
>>>>> and partly out of stubbornness.  I had looked at using a browser based GUI
>>>>> but for what I'm doing I really don't want (or need) to be too
>>>>> complicated.  One of the other responses suggested using C# to create the
>>>>> front end and communicate with Erlang via TCP.  I had thought of that as
>>>>> well, but decided to pursue using pure Erlang but have become stymied by
>>>>> wxErlang and its difficulty.  Most likely I will end up pursing the C# (or
>>>>> similar) front end.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Alan
>>>>>
>>>>> On December 6, 2017 at 3:04 AM Zachary Kessin <zkessin@REDACTED>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I had thought it would be an interesting idea to build a GUI toolset
>>>>> around Erlang such that each widget on screen was a process. That being
>>>>> said I think to develop such a toolkit would probably cost on the order of
>>>>> $1,000,000 (Total guess on the number).
>>>>>
>>>>> If I had to develop a desktop app with Erlang I would probably use
>>>>> something like Electra to do a virtual browser with an Elm Frontend.
>>>>>
>>>>> Zach
>>>>> ᐧ
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 10:13 AM, Sergej Jurečko <
>>>>> sergej.jurecko@REDACTED> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> What we did when we wanted to ship a GUI app with Erlang was running
>>>>> erl in the background and communicate over stdin/stdout.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Sergej
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5 Dec 2017, at 09:07, Alex S. <alex0player@REDACTED> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> For what it's worth, you can always implement your view and controller
>>>>> in something like C#/F#, and your model in Erlang, and hook them up via
>>>>> TCP. Alternatively, there was an Erlang-toF# compiler floating around I
>>>>> believe.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2017-12-03 22:43 GMT+03:00 Alan Gingras <alangingras@REDACTED>:
>>>>>
>>>>> Has anyone tried using Windows Forms (.net) with Erlang?  This would
>>>>> be in a similar fashion to way Python can use Windows Forms.  On Linux I
>>>>> believe this would be Mono (http://www.mono-project.com/
>>>>> docs/gui/winforms/).  Basically I think I’m looking for something
>>>>> similar to Python’s “import” and C#’s “using” features.  If no one has
>>>>> anything, any hints on how a feature like this might be implemented.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Basically, I have been working on implementing genetic programming in
>>>>> Erlang and would like to provide a GUI front end.  The WxWidgets front end
>>>>> that comes with Erlang is difficult at best.  I’ve used several different
>>>>> GUI kits on *nix and Windows platforms but WxWidgets seems the most
>>>>> difficult for me.  So I’m trying to see what else is available.  I followed
>>>>> Joe Armstrong’s quest earlier this year and didn’t see where he came up
>>>>> with anything.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alan
>>>>>
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