[erlang-questions] Announcing Erlang.org Code of Conduct

[Loïc Hoguin]

On 03/13/2015 05:02 PM, Fred Hebert wrote:
> On 03/13, Loïc Hoguin wrote:
>> When you write down rules, you always end up with some unrelated people
>> trying to enforce these rules, despite it not being their job. This can
>> create unnecessary conflicts. A number of these people will also try to
>> enforce the word of the rules rather than their spirit.
>>
>
> The rules also ask them not to enforce the rules on their own, so they
> might be bad enforcers, but frankly, that's a problem for then and
> there.

So if you try to enforce the rules they can get a warning, be moderated 
and then banned?

Also would say "that's a problem for then and there" is a good quote 
about when to introduce a CoC, but that's a little too late for that now.

> In any case, I don't understand how you can be worried about
> yet-non-existent rule-enforcers, but you are not worried by
> yet-non-existent rule-breakers. Something is not logical there.

We already have rule enforcers though. Top/bottom posting came up many 
times already, to give an example. What happens by adding these explicit 
rules is simply to comfort enforcers that what they already did is right.

>> There also doesn't seem to be in the CoC an explanation of the process to
>> either defend yourself (as you point out, not everyone is native English
>> speaker, so misunderstanding happen and they do quite regularly), nor is
>> there an explanation for how to redeem yourself.
>
> "To lift a ban or otherwise contend a regulative measure, contact
> mailman@REDACTED"
>
> Is all that's mentioned. I'm guessing they'll go at it case-by-case for
> this?
...
>> And as Benoit points out, it's a concern that we don't know who the
>> moderators are and how they are selected. I have seen way too often
>> moderators ban people on a whim due to personal issues rather than
>> rules being broken.
>>
>
> See my response to Benoit.

It's not really reassuring. Basically it's all up to The Man.

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Loïc Hoguin
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