Erlang forums (was Re: PING TEST)
Fri Dec 17 10:50:14 CET 2021
The mailing list will be deprecated?
>From my perspective, that's effectively saying
"f*** off, we don't want you in our community".
Your resources, your privilege. It's been great
being here, and I've learned a heck of a lot
from some fine people. I'll miss you all.
On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 at 05:03, Kenneth Lundin <kenneth.lundin@REDACTED>
> Thank you for your feedback about Erlangforums.com everyone. See some
> clarifications below:
> Erlangforums is setup by Aston with the Erlang/OTP team in full
> cooperation. The intention is to stimulate interest and discussions about
> Erlang and other languages running on the “beam”.
> We are happy with the forum’s objective to foster a positive inclusive
> community. We reviewed the terms before the forum went live and feel they
> are fair and reasonable.
> We are Admins on the forum and while we advise the forum team when
> necessary, we prefer to leave daily operation and forum management to the
> forum team. This was a major reason to why we chose this route instead
> running a forum ourselves at erlang.org: we want an experienced team to
> manage the forum, marketing, growing the community, policies, moderation,
> daily operation, and whatnot (Aston has been managing the Elixir Forum in a
> similar capacity for over 5 years and has 20 years' experience managing
> online spaces).
> With a forum like this we are better able to focus on Erlang/OTP. We
> weighed up all the options before concluding this is the best option for
> Erlang, the Erlang community, as well as the overall BEAM community.
> As indicated in the various announcements the mailing list will be
> deprecated soon and we hope you will join us on Erlangforums.com. The
> Erlang/OTP team will be focusing our efforts on the forum moving forward
> because we believe it is an exciting platform and has the potential to
> offer the most value.
> For those who would like to use the forum as a mailing list please see
> this thread:
> However, keep in mind that the forum was never meant to be 1:1 copy of the
> mailing list (it is meant to be much more). To attain an experience similar
> to that of the mailing list you may want to subscribe to the following
> sections as a starting point: Erlang News, Erlang Libraries, and Erlang
> /Kenneth, Erlang/OTP Ericsson
> On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 6:23 PM Michael P. <empro2@REDACTED> wrote:
>> On Sun, 5 Dec 2021 16:57:11 +0100
>> Loïc Hoguin <essen@REDACTED> wrote:
>> > The Erlang forums have this monstrosity: https://erlangforums.com/tos
>> Trying to understand the "monstrosity" I found it practical to keep in
>> The basic right of freedom after speech does not give one
>> the right to speak one's mind in anyone's living room;
>> even after an invitation one can be shown the door at any time,
>> for any reason or none.
>> And that it is not practical to go into detail, because:
>> People who do not want to live together cannot --
>> by no amount of rules or force --
>> be made to live together.
>> So ...
>> > are not owned by the Erlang/OTP team but instead by a third party (and
>> > possibly set up by their initiative, not the Erlang/OTP team's).
>> ... to be fair:
>> > If the Erlang/OTP team wants to make the forums a more
>> > official/permanent venue to reach them then they should also ensure that
>> > the conditions to use the forums are the same as their other venues.
>> Is the "monstrosity" not merely a paraphrasing of the conditions
>> for staying in this old living room here?
>> Without a Sugarmountain of money or a space-dildo for Captain Kirk,
>> one cannot afford to get to know the legal situation, or differences,
>> or consequences, or do anything about them.
>> And: Two lawyers -- three opinions.
>> So I will simply continue trying to do the Austin Powers ("Behave!").
>> Normality is merely a question of quantity, not one of quality.
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