<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace">The mailing list will be deprecated?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace">From my perspective, that's effectively saying</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace">"f*** off, we don't want you in our community".</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace">Your resources, your privilege. It's been great</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace">being here, and I've learned a heck of a lot</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace">from some fine people. I'll miss you all.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 at 05:03, Kenneth Lundin <<a href="mailto:kenneth.lundin@gmail.com">kenneth.lundin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Thank you for your feedback about Erlangforums.com everyone. See some clarifications below: <br></div><div><br></div><div>Erlangforums is setup by Aston with the Erlang/OTP team in full
cooperation. The intention is to stimulate interest and discussions
about Erlang and other languages running on the “beam”.</div>
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<div>We are happy with the forum’s objective to foster a positive
inclusive community. We reviewed the terms before the forum went live
and feel they are fair and reasonable.</div>
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<div>We are Admins on the forum and while we advise the forum team when
necessary, we prefer to leave daily operation and forum management to
the forum team. This was a major reason to why we chose this route
instead running a forum ourselves at <a href="http://erlang.org" target="_blank">erlang.org</a>:
we want an experienced team to manage the forum, marketing, growing the
community, policies, moderation, daily operation, and whatnot (Aston has
been managing the Elixir Forum in a similar capacity for over 5 years
and has 20 years' experience managing online
spaces).</div>
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<div>With a forum like this we are better able to focus on Erlang/OTP.
We weighed up all the options before concluding this is the best option
for Erlang, the Erlang community, as well as the overall BEAM community.</div>
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<div>As indicated in the various announcements the mailing list will be
deprecated soon and we hope you will join us on Erlangforums.com. The
Erlang/OTP team will be focusing our efforts on the forum moving forward
because we believe it is an exciting platform
and has the potential to offer the most value.</div>
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<div>For those who would like to use the forum as a mailing list please
see this thread:
<a href="https://erlangforums.com/t/how-to-use-this-forum-as-a-mailing-list/146" target="_blank">https://erlangforums.com/t/how-to-use-this-forum-as-a-mailing-list/146</a>.
However, keep in mind that the forum was never meant to be 1:1 copy of
the mailing list (it is meant
to be much more). To attain an experience similar to that of the mailing
list you may want to subscribe to the following sections as a starting
point: Erlang News, Erlang Libraries, and Erlang Help/Questions.</div><div><br></div><div>/Kenneth, Erlang/OTP Ericsson<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 6:23 PM Michael P. <<a href="mailto:empro2@web.de" target="_blank">empro2@web.de</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">:-)<br>
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On Sun, 5 Dec 2021 16:57:11 +0100<br>
Loïc Hoguin <<a href="mailto:essen@ninenines.eu" target="_blank">essen@ninenines.eu</a>> wrote:<br>
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> The Erlang forums have this monstrosity: <a href="https://erlangforums.com/tos" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://erlangforums.com/tos</a><br>
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Trying to understand the "monstrosity" I found it practical to keep in mind:<br>
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The basic right of freedom after speech does not give one<br>
the right to speak one's mind in anyone's living room;<br>
even after an invitation one can be shown the door at any time,<br>
for any reason or none.<br>
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And that it is not practical to go into detail, because:<br>
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People who do not want to live together cannot --<br>
by no amount of rules or force --<br>
be made to live together.<br>
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So ...<br>
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> are not owned by the Erlang/OTP team but instead by a third party (and<br>
> possibly set up by their initiative, not the Erlang/OTP team's).<br>
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... to be fair:<br>
<a href="http://erlang.org/pipermail/erlang-questions/2021-October/101583.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://erlang.org/pipermail/erlang-questions/2021-October/101583.html</a><br>
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> If the Erlang/OTP team wants to make the forums a more<br>
> official/permanent venue to reach them then they should also ensure that<br>
> the conditions to use the forums are the same as their other venues.<br>
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Is the "monstrosity" not merely a paraphrasing of the conditions<br>
for staying in this old living room here?<br>
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Without a Sugarmountain of money or a space-dildo for Captain Kirk,<br>
one cannot afford to get to know the legal situation, or differences,<br>
or consequences, or do anything about them.<br>
And: Two lawyers -- three opinions.<br>
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So I will simply continue trying to do the Austin Powers ("Behave!").<br>
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:-)<br>
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~Michael<br>
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--<br>
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Normality is merely a question of quantity, not one of quality.<br>
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