[erlang-questions] Coon - new tool for building Erlang packages, dependency management and deploying Erlang services

Stefan Strigler stefan.strigler@REDACTED
Mon Feb 12 21:05:33 CET 2018


There's a difference between making a mistake and refusing to learn from
them once pointed out.

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 8:14 PM Loïc Hoguin <essen@REDACTED> wrote:

> On 02/12/2018 07:10 PM, Tom Santero wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:02 PM, Loïc Hoguin <essen@REDACTED
> > <mailto:essen@REDACTED>> wrote:
> >
> >     On 02/12/2018 05:13 PM, Fred Hebert wrote:> Loic can correct me if
> >     he's wrong, but his /Cowboy/ web server took its
> >
> >         initial name because /cowboys kill apaches/ if I recall old
> >         conference conversations. I think it's of poor taste, but so far
> >         Loic has not had any fall out or enough offended people to make
> >         any change, and he did build a successful business out of it. He
> >         made the call and ran with it.
> >
> >
> >     Oversimplified of course but true. Context is important though, my
> >     knowledge of cowboys mostly comes from Lucky Luke and a few farwest
> >     movies, so the inspiration is fictional.
> >
> >     Nobody has had any problem with it.
> >
> >
> > Actually, plenty of us have had a problem with it for a long time Loic.
> > Those of us who knew the origin. The term cowboy absent your naming
> > context is of course innocuous, which might explain why it's coasted
> > under the radar for so long without having been called out; in context,
> > it is disappointing.
>
> If ignorance is disappointing then so be it. But in that case you must
> be horrified at a lot of western related entertainment products.
> Watching kids play "cowboys and indians" must be truly heartbreaking too.
>
> I grew up with Lucky Luke, Tintin, Asterix and other fictions. Cowboy
> comes from there. Sure some of the stories raise some eyebrows today
> (Tintin in the Congo is particularly infamous, and it's especially
> telling that it hadn't been translated to English for so long despite
> being translated everywhere else), but that doesn't make the people who
> enjoy them whatever *ist some want them to be.
>
> Ignorance of US history is to be expected of non-US people. The same
> applies everywhere. You can't really expect a single developer to know
> all the intricacies of all existing *and future* cultures and languages.
> Culture changes fast enough that you might see otherwise normal words
> become slur within your lifetime.
>
> According to some people, and I'm no expert, Thanksgiving originates
> with the genocide of native Americans. Should Thanksgiving be dropped
> because of its origins? Clearly some people are offended by it,
> otherwise I wouldn't have heard of this from faraway lands. Still I
> don't think the people celebrating Thanksgiving today are celebrating
> genocide. In the same vein, me naming a project after fictional stories
> does not make me side with anyone in historical events.
>
> Finally, the origin of a name is one thing, its use another. Sure that's
> how the idea came to me, remembering fictional stories and naming the
> project after them. But that's not how it's been used since. The process
> for coming up with the name is irrelevant, just as the history behind a
> practice is irrelevant to how it's practiced today. What matters is how
> things are today, and today the western theme is just that, a theme.
>
> And just to complete the story behind the Cowboy name: I initially
> thought of using the name of a tribe but because there was already a
> number of them in use in software projects, including the Apache and
> Cherokee HTTP servers, and I was not familiar with the others, I decided
> against it. So we came real close of having the name being the same as a
> native American tribe. Maybe later.
>
> Cheers,
>
> --
> Loïc Hoguin
> https://ninenines.eu
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