<div dir="ltr">There's a difference between making a mistake and refusing to learn from them once pointed out.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 8:14 PM Loïc Hoguin <<a href="mailto:essen@ninenines.eu">essen@ninenines.eu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On 02/12/2018 07:10 PM, Tom Santero wrote:<br>
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> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:02 PM, Loïc Hoguin <<a href="mailto:essen@ninenines.eu" target="_blank">essen@ninenines.eu</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:essen@ninenines.eu" target="_blank">essen@ninenines.eu</a>>> wrote:<br>
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> On 02/12/2018 05:13 PM, Fred Hebert wrote:> Loic can correct me if<br>
> he's wrong, but his /Cowboy/ web server took its<br>
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> initial name because /cowboys kill apaches/ if I recall old<br>
> conference conversations. I think it's of poor taste, but so far<br>
> Loic has not had any fall out or enough offended people to make<br>
> any change, and he did build a successful business out of it. He<br>
> made the call and ran with it.<br>
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> Oversimplified of course but true. Context is important though, my<br>
> knowledge of cowboys mostly comes from Lucky Luke and a few farwest<br>
> movies, so the inspiration is fictional.<br>
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> Nobody has had any problem with it.<br>
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> Actually, plenty of us have had a problem with it for a long time Loic.<br>
> Those of us who knew the origin. The term cowboy absent your naming<br>
> context is of course innocuous, which might explain why it's coasted<br>
> under the radar for so long without having been called out; in context,<br>
> it is disappointing.<br>
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If ignorance is disappointing then so be it. But in that case you must<br>
be horrified at a lot of western related entertainment products.<br>
Watching kids play "cowboys and indians" must be truly heartbreaking too.<br>
<br>
I grew up with Lucky Luke, Tintin, Asterix and other fictions. Cowboy<br>
comes from there. Sure some of the stories raise some eyebrows today<br>
(Tintin in the Congo is particularly infamous, and it's especially<br>
telling that it hadn't been translated to English for so long despite<br>
being translated everywhere else), but that doesn't make the people who<br>
enjoy them whatever *ist some want them to be.<br>
<br>
Ignorance of US history is to be expected of non-US people. The same<br>
applies everywhere. You can't really expect a single developer to know<br>
all the intricacies of all existing *and future* cultures and languages.<br>
Culture changes fast enough that you might see otherwise normal words<br>
become slur within your lifetime.<br>
<br>
According to some people, and I'm no expert, Thanksgiving originates<br>
with the genocide of native Americans. Should Thanksgiving be dropped<br>
because of its origins? Clearly some people are offended by it,<br>
otherwise I wouldn't have heard of this from faraway lands. Still I<br>
don't think the people celebrating Thanksgiving today are celebrating<br>
genocide. In the same vein, me naming a project after fictional stories<br>
does not make me side with anyone in historical events.<br>
<br>
Finally, the origin of a name is one thing, its use another. Sure that's<br>
how the idea came to me, remembering fictional stories and naming the<br>
project after them. But that's not how it's been used since. The process<br>
for coming up with the name is irrelevant, just as the history behind a<br>
practice is irrelevant to how it's practiced today. What matters is how<br>
things are today, and today the western theme is just that, a theme.<br>
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And just to complete the story behind the Cowboy name: I initially<br>
thought of using the name of a tribe but because there was already a<br>
number of them in use in software projects, including the Apache and<br>
Cherokee HTTP servers, and I was not familiar with the others, I decided<br>
against it. So we came real close of having the name being the same as a<br>
native American tribe. Maybe later.<br>
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Cheers,<br>
<br>
--<br>
Loïc Hoguin<br>
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