[erlang-questions] [ANN] Positive version 13.3.7

Garrett Smith <>
Fri Mar 25 23:55:30 CET 2016

Something Mom would always tell me in situations like this, "Make fun of
the language, not the packager manger."

On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 5:47 PM Loïc Hoguin <> wrote:

> On 03/25/2016 11:10 PM, Tristan Sloughter wrote:
> > All I want to say, since the argument, 'it is just a joke/satire', is so
> > often used in this discussion and many, many others, is that something
> > being a joke in itself does not mean it is in good taste. Nor does it
> > mean satirical take doesn't come from a place of smug jerkiness.
> You guys make it sound like it's not possible to both laugh at and feel
> bad for someone.
> If you trip and fall in a funny way, I will laugh and be worried that
> you may have gotten hurt. At the same time. After I know you're OK, I
> will laugh some more and joke about it.
> That's what happened to NPM. They trip and fall in a funny way. They're
> OK now. And people are laughing some more. Nothing wrong with that.
> Going on a tangent here, but that's a pretty good thing for NPM that
> people laugh about it. There's plenty of essays on the subject, but for
> the sake of keeping it short I'll take a very well known quote:
>      First they ignore you,
>      then they laugh at you,
>      then they fight you,
>      then you win.
> People who have nothing to do with NPM (or JS) are laughing about it.
> Server-side JS is probably at the "they fight you" step.
> Now let's imagine what would happen if the same thing happened to
> Erlang. Can you guess what would happen? Nobody would care. Most JS
> developers wouldn't even notice.
> I'll even go as far as say this whole fiasco benefits NPM and Node in
> the long term, but that's a story for another day.
> --
> Loïc Hoguin
> http://ninenines.eu
> Author of The Erlanger Playbook,
> A book about software development using Erlang
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