[erlang-questions] ANN: Designing for Scalability with Erlang/OTP by O'Reilly
Francesco Cesarini
francesco@REDACTED
Wed Jul 9 12:47:53 CEST 2014
Come on Thomas, if an employer pays for the book, the employee learns a
new set of skills and moves on to a new job. Ignorance is bliss!
/F
On 09/07/2014 10:56, Thomas Lindgren wrote:
> C'mon, does no one here purchase books through their employer? If
> you're a multi-employee company working with Erlang, or even a one man
> band who is actually getting paid, it's a no-brainer to buy a copy of
> basically every erlang book published. The dent in your budget will be
> forgotten in days if not hours. Minutes.
>
> Best,
> Thomas
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 9:55 PM, "lloyd@REDACTED"
> <lloyd@REDACTED> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
> My thoughts as an a novelist and army-of-one small press publisher:
>
> - Several sites discuss how to develop a proforma profit & loss
> state for a book project
>
> http://pimpmynovel.blogspot.com/2009/10/p-1-of-4-basics.html
>
> - Even in my bare-bones world where I often stringently discount
> my time, expenses add up fast. O'Reilly carries considerable
> overhead and brings many paid person hours to a book project.
>
> - Sad fact is, few books sell enough to cover the author's advance.
>
> - I too gasped when I saw the combined price of the physical and
> e-book editions of Cesarini/Vinoski. But that said, even at full
> price, I seriously doubt that anyone involved with Franceso and
> Steve's book project will make a killing.
>
> - Like others on this thread, I could not justify purchasing the
> book at this point without Franceso's discount code. Not that I
> consider the two editiorns overpriced for value delivered. But
> rather, I simply couldn't squeeze the purchase into my book-buying
> budget.
>
> But with the discount code, purchasing both was a no-brainer given
> the hard-won expertise that Francesco and Steve are sharing so
> generously through their book. Just imagine how fast the
> consulting fees would mount if we had to hire either to help with
> our software projects.
>
> - The wonderful thing about the web is that so much invaluable
> information is available for the price of a few mouse clicks. It's
> spoiled us into thinking that information is free. But generating
> worthwhile information entails considerable time and cost.
>
> I, for one, benefit considerably and feel boundless gratitude for
> the wonderful sharing economy that has emerged through the
> open-source movement. For me it's a privilege to pay back in any
> way I can. Buying a book that supports the titans of our field
> who've contributed so much is the least I can do.
>
> All the best,
>
> Lloyd
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Francesco Cesarini" <francesco@REDACTED
> <mailto:francesco@REDACTED>>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 8, 2014 2:51pm
> To: erlang-questions@REDACTED <mailto:erlang-questions@REDACTED>
> Subject: Re: [erlang-questions] ANN: Designing for Scalability
> with Erlang/OTP by O'Reilly
>
> You do not write books because you believe you are going to make
> money
> out of them. You write them because you are passionate about the
> subject. If you calculate what Simon and I made from our first
> book, I
> am not sure we've hit minimum wage yet. From my side, I want to
> document
> my approach to teaching OTP, as I think it will work in writing as
> well
> as it does in the classroom. From the feedback Steve and I have
> received
> so far, we are right on track. Reiterating an email on this list from
> 2008, I want to see a whole bookshelf of Erlang/OTP books out there.
>
> I found the experience of working with O'Reilly really positive the
> first time around. From the editor, the production team (Graphics,
> copy
> editor, proof readers, etc) as well as their marketing and
> conferences.
> And this time around, it is just as good, if not better. As an
> author, I
> could not recommend them more highly. I want to write books, I do not
> want to do all of the other stuff associated with getting it out.
> It is
> just a false economy.
>
> /F
>
> PS. For those who can't afford 25$, try before you buy. It is called
> BitTorrent.
>
> On 08/07/2014 19:39, Raoul Duke wrote:
> > i haven't looked at the books here, but having been somebody who
> > produced things and wondered how anybody could ever make a living at
> > it, and knowing that writers throughout history rarely made much
> after
> > the publisher etc. got a cut, i didn't have the same reaction to the
> > $50 price tag. can't say i'd *spend* the $50 since i'm broke and
> > there's a zillion other things to spend $50 on first. i'd try to get
> > it via inter library loan or something :-).
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Francesco Cesarini
> > <francesco@REDACTED
> <mailto:francesco@REDACTED>> wrote:
> >> Alas, that is how O'Reilly price their books. Having a high
> price and then
> >> discounting is not the approach I would pick. That is why
> discount codes are
> >> being handed out on public mailing lists and social media. I
> recommend you
> >> use them (Read, no one pays full price for an O'Reilly book).
> As an unedited
> >> book, the cost is for the final book which we hope will
> complement what is
> >> already out there. It is a different approach to OTP in action.
> One I've
> >> been using for 15 years when teaching OTP.
> >>
> >> /F
> >>
> >> On 08/07/2014 19:14, Lee Sylvester wrote:
> >>> Wow, $50? Yeah, that is steep. If this were some black arts
> compiler
> >>> book or video encoding bible, then that would be something
> else. But a book
> >>> on Erlang/OTP just doesn’t fall into that bracket…
> >>>
> >>> I may wait til it falls in the bargain bucket ;-)
> >>>
> >>> Lee
> >>>
> >>> On 8 Jul 2014, at 19:08, Miles Fidelman
> <mfidelman@REDACTED <mailto:mfidelman@REDACTED>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 8 Jul 2014, at 16:05, Francesco Cesarini
> >>>> <francesco@REDACTED
> <mailto:francesco@REDACTED>> wrote:
> >>>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> a shameless plug. Steve Vinoski and I are working on a book
> focused on
> >>>>>> distributed, scalable systems with OTP. It is available
> from O'Reilly as an
> >>>>>> Early Release from their website. The first eight chapters
> we released cover
> >>>>>> (in great detail) all other behaviours. We started writing,
> and before we
> >>>>>> knew it, we had several hundred pages on behaviours alone.
> Last week, two
> >>>>>> new chapters, including the Introduction & Special
> processes and
> >>>>>> Implementing your own behaviours were released. We are now
> focusing on
> >>>>>> release handling (hgg), code upgrade and architectural
> patterns.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> What is available is an unedited draft, with new chapters and
> >>>>>> improvements published as they become available. You can
> find more info
> >>>>>> here:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920024149.do?intcmp=il-prog-books-videos-product-intsrch_erlang_ct
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If you use discount code authd, you will get 50% off the
> Early Release,
> >>>>>> and 40% on pre-orders of the the printed copy.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Looking forward to your feedback,
> >>>>>>
> >>>> Not for nothing, but $50 for the undedited work-in-progress
> seems a bit
> >>>> steep (and yes, I saw the discount code). I also note that
> "rough cuts"
> >>>> aren't included in my Safari subscription.
> >>>>
> >>>> Usual practice that I've seen is for works-in-progress to be
> free, with
> >>>> tools that support comments from early readers.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sounds interesting - but, from the TOC (all that's available
> without
> >>>> paying), it sure looks like it covers the same ground as
> "Erlang and OTP in
> >>>> Action."
> >>>>
> >>>> Miles Fidelman
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
> >>>> In practice, there is. .... Yogi Berra
> >>>>
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