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Come on Thomas, if an employer pays for the book, the employee
learns a new set of skills and moves on to a new job. Ignorance is
bliss!<br>
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/F<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 09/07/2014 10:56, Thomas Lindgren
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<div><span>C'mon, does no one here purchase books through their
employer? If you're a multi-employee company working with
Erlang, or even a one man band who is actually getting paid,
it's a no-brainer to buy a copy of basically every erlang
book published. The dent in your budget will be forgotten in
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<div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> On Tuesday,
July 8, 2014 9:55 PM, <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:lloyd@writersglen.com">"lloyd@writersglen.com"</a>
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<div class="y_msg_container">Hello,<br clear="none">
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My thoughts as an a novelist and army-of-one small
press publisher:<br clear="none">
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- Several sites discuss how to develop a proforma
profit & loss state for a book project<br
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<a moz-do-not-send="true" shape="rect"
href="http://pimpmynovel.blogspot.com/2009/10/p-1-of-4-basics.html"
target="_blank">http://pimpmynovel.blogspot.com/2009/10/p-1-of-4-basics.html</a><br
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- Even in my bare-bones world where I often
stringently discount my time, expenses add up fast.
O'Reilly carries considerable overhead and brings many
paid person hours to a book project.<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
- Sad fact is, few books sell enough to cover the
author's advance. <br clear="none">
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- I too gasped when I saw the combined price of the
physical and e-book editions of Cesarini/Vinoski. But
that said, even at full price, I seriously doubt that
anyone involved with Franceso and Steve's book project
will make a killing. <br clear="none">
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- Like others on this thread, I could not justify
purchasing the book at this point without Franceso's
discount code. Not that I consider the two editiorns
overpriced for value delivered. But rather, I simply
couldn't squeeze the purchase into my book-buying
budget. <br clear="none">
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But with the discount code, purchasing both was a
no-brainer given the hard-won expertise that Francesco
and Steve are sharing so generously through their
book. Just imagine how fast the consulting fees would
mount if we had to hire either to help with our
software projects.<br clear="none">
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- The wonderful thing about the web is that so much
invaluable information is available for the price of a
few mouse clicks. It's spoiled us into thinking that
information is free. But generating worthwhile
information entails considerable time and cost. <br
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I, for one, benefit considerably and feel boundless
gratitude for the wonderful sharing economy that has
emerged through the open-source movement. For me it's
a privilege to pay back in any way I can. Buying a
book that supports the titans of our field who've
contributed so much is the least I can do.<br
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All the best,<br clear="none">
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Lloyd<br clear="none">
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From: "Francesco Cesarini" <<a
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Sent: Tuesday, July 8, 2014 2:51pm<br clear="none">
To: <a moz-do-not-send="true" shape="rect"
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href="mailto:erlang-questions@erlang.org">erlang-questions@erlang.org</a><br
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Subject: Re: [erlang-questions] ANN: Designing for
Scalability with Erlang/OTP by O'Reilly<br
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You do not write books because you believe you are
going to make money <br clear="none">
out of them. You write them because you are passionate
about the <br clear="none">
subject. If you calculate what Simon and I made from
our first book, I <br clear="none">
am not sure we've hit minimum wage yet. From my side,
I want to document <br clear="none">
my approach to teaching OTP, as I think it will work
in writing as well <br clear="none">
as it does in the classroom. From the feedback Steve
and I have received <br clear="none">
so far, we are right on track. Reiterating an email on
this list from <br clear="none">
2008, I want to see a whole bookshelf of Erlang/OTP
books out there.<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
I found the experience of working with O'Reilly really
positive the <br clear="none">
first time around. From the editor, the production
team (Graphics, copy <br clear="none">
editor, proof readers, etc) as well as their marketing
and conferences. <br clear="none">
And this time around, it is just as good, if not
better. As an author, I <br clear="none">
could not recommend them more highly. I want to write
books, I do not <br clear="none">
want to do all of the other stuff associated with
getting it out. It is <br clear="none">
just a false economy.<br clear="none">
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/F<br clear="none">
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PS. For those who can't afford 25$, try before you
buy. It is called <br clear="none">
BitTorrent.<br clear="none">
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On 08/07/2014 19:39, Raoul Duke wrote:<br clear="none">
> i haven't looked at the books here, but having
been somebody who<br clear="none">
> produced things and wondered how anybody could
ever make a living at<br clear="none">
> it, and knowing that writers throughout history
rarely made much after<br clear="none">
> the publisher etc. got a cut, i didn't have the
same reaction to the<br clear="none">
> $50 price tag. can't say i'd *spend* the $50
since i'm broke and<br clear="none">
> there's a zillion other things to spend $50 on
first. i'd try to get<br clear="none">
> it via inter library loan or something :-).<br
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> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Francesco
Cesarini<br clear="none">
> <<a moz-do-not-send="true" shape="rect"
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href="mailto:francesco@erlang-solutions.com">francesco@erlang-solutions.com</a>>
wrote:<br clear="none">
>> Alas, that is how O'Reilly price their books.
Having a high price and then<br clear="none">
>> discounting is not the approach I would pick.
That is why discount codes are<br clear="none">
>> being handed out on public mailing lists and
social media. I recommend you<br clear="none">
>> use them (Read, no one pays full price for an
O'Reilly book). As an unedited<br clear="none">
>> book, the cost is for the final book which we
hope will complement what is<br clear="none">
>> already out there. It is a different approach
to OTP in action. One I've<br clear="none">
>> been using for 15 years when teaching OTP.<br
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>> /F<br clear="none">
>><br clear="none">
>> On 08/07/2014 19:14, Lee Sylvester wrote:<br
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>>> Wow, $50? Yeah, that is steep. If this
were some black arts compiler<br clear="none">
>>> book or video encoding bible, then that
would be something else. But a book<br clear="none">
>>> on Erlang/OTP just doesn’t fall into that
bracket…<br clear="none">
>>><br clear="none">
>>> I may wait til it falls in the bargain
bucket ;-)<br clear="none">
>>><br clear="none">
>>> Lee<br clear="none">
>>><br clear="none">
>>> On 8 Jul 2014, at 19:08, Miles
Fidelman <<a moz-do-not-send="true" shape="rect"
ymailto="mailto:mfidelman@meetinghouse.net"
href="mailto:mfidelman@meetinghouse.net">mfidelman@meetinghouse.net</a>><br
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>>> wrote:<br clear="none">
>>><br clear="none">
>>>> On 8 Jul 2014, at 16:05, Francesco
Cesarini<br clear="none">
>>>> <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
shape="rect"
ymailto="mailto:francesco@erlang-solutions.com"
href="mailto:francesco@erlang-solutions.com">francesco@erlang-solutions.com</a>>
wrote:<br clear="none">
>>>>>> Hi all,<br clear="none">
>>>>>><br clear="none">
>>>>>> a shameless plug. Steve
Vinoski and I are working on a book focused on<br
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>>>>>> distributed, scalable systems
with OTP. It is available from O'Reilly as an<br
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>>>>>> Early Release from their
website. The first eight chapters we released cover<br
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>>>>>> (in great detail) all other
behaviours. We started writing, and before we<br
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>>>>>> knew it, we had several
hundred pages on behaviours alone. Last week, two<br
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>>>>>> new chapters, including the
Introduction & Special processes and<br
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>>>>>> Implementing your own
behaviours were released. We are now focusing on<br
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>>>>>> release handling (hgg), code
upgrade and architectural patterns.<br clear="none">
>>>>>><br clear="none">
>>>>>> What is available is an
unedited draft, with new chapters and<br clear="none">
>>>>>> improvements published as
they become available. You can find more info<br
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>>>>>> here:<br clear="none">
>>>>>><br clear="none">
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>>>>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
shape="rect"
href="http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920024149.do?intcmp=il-prog-books-videos-product-intsrch_erlang_ct"
target="_blank">http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920024149.do?intcmp=il-prog-books-videos-product-intsrch_erlang_ct</a><br
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>>>>>><br clear="none">
>>>>>> If you use discount code
authd, you will get 50% off the Early Release,<br
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>>>>>> and 40% on pre-orders of the
the printed copy.<br clear="none">
>>>>>><br clear="none">
>>>>>> Looking forward to your
feedback,<br clear="none">
>>>>>><br clear="none">
>>>> Not for nothing, but $50 for the
undedited work-in-progress seems a bit<br clear="none">
>>>> steep (and yes, I saw the discount
code). I also note that "rough cuts"<br clear="none">
>>>> aren't included in my Safari
subscription.<br clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>>> Usual practice that I've seen is for
works-in-progress to be free, with<br clear="none">
>>>> tools that support comments from
early readers.<br clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>>> Sounds interesting - but, from the
TOC (all that's available without<br clear="none">
>>>> paying), it sure looks like it covers
the same ground as "Erlang and OTP in<br clear="none">
>>>> Action."<br clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>>> Miles Fidelman<br clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>>> --<br clear="none">
>>>> In theory, there is no difference
between theory and practice.<br clear="none">
>>>> In practice, there is. .... Yogi
Berra<br clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>>>
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