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    Come on Thomas, if an employer pays for the book, the employee
    learns a new set of skills and moves on to a new job. Ignorance is
    bliss!<br>
    <br>
    /F<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 09/07/2014 10:56, Thomas Lindgren
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        <div><span>C'mon, does no one here purchase books through their
            employer? If you're a multi-employee company working with
            Erlang, or even a one man band who is actually getting paid,
            it's a no-brainer to buy a copy of basically every erlang
            book published. The dent in your budget will be forgotten in
            days if not hours. Minutes.</span></div>
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              <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> On Tuesday,
                  July 8, 2014 9:55 PM, <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:lloyd@writersglen.com">"lloyd@writersglen.com"</a>
                  <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:lloyd@writersglen.com"><lloyd@writersglen.com></a> wrote:<br>
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                <div class="y_msg_container">Hello,<br clear="none">
                  <br clear="none">
                  My thoughts as an a novelist and army-of-one small
                  press publisher:<br clear="none">
                  <br clear="none">
                  - Several sites discuss how to develop a proforma
                  profit & loss state for a book project<br
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                  <a moz-do-not-send="true" shape="rect"
                    href="http://pimpmynovel.blogspot.com/2009/10/p-1-of-4-basics.html"
                    target="_blank">http://pimpmynovel.blogspot.com/2009/10/p-1-of-4-basics.html</a><br
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                  <br clear="none">
                  - Even in my bare-bones world where I often
                  stringently discount my time, expenses add up fast.
                  O'Reilly carries considerable overhead and brings many
                  paid person hours to a book project.<br clear="none">
                  <br clear="none">
                  - Sad fact is, few books sell enough to cover the
                  author's advance. <br clear="none">
                  <br clear="none">
                  - I too gasped when I saw the combined price of the
                  physical and e-book editions of Cesarini/Vinoski. But
                  that said, even at full price, I seriously doubt that
                  anyone involved with Franceso and Steve's book project
                  will make a killing. <br clear="none">
                  <br clear="none">
                  - Like others on this thread, I could not justify
                  purchasing the book at this point without Franceso's
                  discount code. Not that I consider the two editiorns
                  overpriced for value delivered. But rather, I simply
                  couldn't squeeze the purchase into my book-buying
                  budget. <br clear="none">
                  <br clear="none">
                  But with the discount code, purchasing both was a
                  no-brainer given the hard-won expertise that Francesco
                  and Steve are sharing so generously through their
                  book. Just imagine how fast the consulting fees would
                  mount if we had to hire either to help with our
                  software projects.<br clear="none">
                  <br clear="none">
                  - The wonderful thing about the web is that so much
                  invaluable information is available for the price of a
                  few mouse clicks. It's spoiled us into thinking that
                  information is free. But generating worthwhile
                  information entails considerable time and cost. <br
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                  <br clear="none">
                  I, for one, benefit considerably and feel boundless
                  gratitude for the wonderful sharing economy that has
                  emerged through the open-source movement. For me it's
                  a privilege to pay back in any way I can. Buying a
                  book that supports the titans of our field who've
                  contributed so much is the least I can do.<br
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                  <br clear="none">
                  All the best,<br clear="none">
                  <br clear="none">
                  Lloyd<br clear="none">
                  <br clear="none">
                  -----Original Message-----<br clear="none">
                  From: "Francesco Cesarini" <<a
                    moz-do-not-send="true" shape="rect"
                    ymailto="mailto:francesco@erlang-solutions.com"
                    href="mailto:francesco@erlang-solutions.com">francesco@erlang-solutions.com</a>><br
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                  Sent: Tuesday, July 8, 2014 2:51pm<br clear="none">
                  To: <a moz-do-not-send="true" shape="rect"
                    ymailto="mailto:erlang-questions@erlang.org"
                    href="mailto:erlang-questions@erlang.org">erlang-questions@erlang.org</a><br
                    clear="none">
                  Subject: Re: [erlang-questions] ANN: Designing for
                  Scalability with Erlang/OTP by O'Reilly<br
                    clear="none">
                  <br clear="none">
                  You do not write books because you believe you are
                  going to make money <br clear="none">
                  out of them. You write them because you are passionate
                  about the <br clear="none">
                  subject. If you calculate what Simon and I made from
                  our first book, I <br clear="none">
                  am not sure we've hit minimum wage yet. From my side,
                  I want to document <br clear="none">
                  my approach to teaching OTP, as I think it will work
                  in writing as well <br clear="none">
                  as it does in the classroom. From the feedback Steve
                  and I have received <br clear="none">
                  so far, we are right on track. Reiterating an email on
                  this list from <br clear="none">
                  2008, I want to see a whole bookshelf of Erlang/OTP
                  books out there.<br clear="none">
                  <br clear="none">
                  I found the experience of working with O'Reilly really
                  positive the <br clear="none">
                  first time around. From the editor, the production
                  team (Graphics, copy <br clear="none">
                  editor, proof readers, etc) as well as their marketing
                  and conferences.  <br clear="none">
                  And this time around, it is just as good, if not
                  better. As an author, I <br clear="none">
                  could not recommend them more highly. I want to write
                  books, I do not <br clear="none">
                  want to do all of the other stuff associated with
                  getting it out. It is <br clear="none">
                  just a false economy.<br clear="none">
                  <br clear="none">
                  /F<br clear="none">
                  <br clear="none">
                  PS. For those who can't afford 25$, try before you
                  buy. It is called <br clear="none">
                  BitTorrent.<br clear="none">
                  <br clear="none">
                  On 08/07/2014 19:39, Raoul Duke wrote:<br clear="none">
                  > i haven't looked at the books here, but having
                  been somebody who<br clear="none">
                  > produced things and wondered how anybody could
                  ever make a living at<br clear="none">
                  > it, and knowing that writers throughout history
                  rarely made much after<br clear="none">
                  > the publisher etc. got a cut, i didn't have the
                  same reaction to the<br clear="none">
                  > $50 price tag. can't say i'd *spend* the $50
                  since i'm broke and<br clear="none">
                  > there's a zillion other things to spend $50 on
                  first. i'd try to get<br clear="none">
                  > it via inter library loan or something :-).<br
                    clear="none">
                  ><br clear="none">
                  > On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Francesco
                  Cesarini<br clear="none">
                  > <<a moz-do-not-send="true" shape="rect"
                    ymailto="mailto:francesco@erlang-solutions.com"
                    href="mailto:francesco@erlang-solutions.com">francesco@erlang-solutions.com</a>>
                  wrote:<br clear="none">
                  >> Alas, that is how O'Reilly price their books.
                  Having a high price and then<br clear="none">
                  >> discounting is not the approach I would pick.
                  That is why discount codes are<br clear="none">
                  >> being handed out on public mailing lists and
                  social media. I recommend you<br clear="none">
                  >> use them (Read, no one pays full price for an
                  O'Reilly book). As an unedited<br clear="none">
                  >> book, the cost is for the final book which we
                  hope will complement what is<br clear="none">
                  >> already out there. It is a different approach
                  to OTP in action. One I've<br clear="none">
                  >> been using for 15 years when teaching OTP.<br
                    clear="none">
                  >><br clear="none">
                  >> /F<br clear="none">
                  >><br clear="none">
                  >> On 08/07/2014 19:14, Lee Sylvester wrote:<br
                    clear="none">
                  >>> Wow, $50?  Yeah, that is steep.  If this
                  were some black arts compiler<br clear="none">
                  >>> book or video encoding bible, then that
                  would be something else.  But a book<br clear="none">
                  >>> on Erlang/OTP just doesn’t fall into that
                  bracket…<br clear="none">
                  >>><br clear="none">
                  >>> I may wait til it falls in the bargain
                  bucket ;-)<br clear="none">
                  >>><br clear="none">
                  >>> Lee<br clear="none">
                  >>><br clear="none">
                  >>>    On 8 Jul 2014, at 19:08, Miles
                  Fidelman <<a moz-do-not-send="true" shape="rect"
                    ymailto="mailto:mfidelman@meetinghouse.net"
                    href="mailto:mfidelman@meetinghouse.net">mfidelman@meetinghouse.net</a>><br
                    clear="none">
                  >>> wrote:<br clear="none">
                  >>><br clear="none">
                  >>>> On 8 Jul 2014, at 16:05, Francesco
                  Cesarini<br clear="none">
                  >>>> <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    shape="rect"
                    ymailto="mailto:francesco@erlang-solutions.com"
                    href="mailto:francesco@erlang-solutions.com">francesco@erlang-solutions.com</a>>
                  wrote:<br clear="none">
                  >>>>>> Hi all,<br clear="none">
                  >>>>>><br clear="none">
                  >>>>>> a shameless plug. Steve
                  Vinoski and I are working on a book focused on<br
                    clear="none">
                  >>>>>> distributed, scalable systems
                  with OTP. It is available from O'Reilly as an<br
                    clear="none">
                  >>>>>> Early Release from their
                  website. The first eight chapters we released cover<br
                    clear="none">
                  >>>>>> (in great detail) all other
                  behaviours. We started writing, and before we<br
                    clear="none">
                  >>>>>> knew it, we had several
                  hundred pages on behaviours alone. Last week, two<br
                    clear="none">
                  >>>>>> new chapters, including the
                  Introduction & Special processes and<br
                    clear="none">
                  >>>>>> Implementing your own
                  behaviours were released. We are now focusing on<br
                    clear="none">
                  >>>>>> release handling (hgg), code
                  upgrade and architectural patterns.<br clear="none">
                  >>>>>><br clear="none">
                  >>>>>> What is available is an
                  unedited draft, with new chapters and<br clear="none">
                  >>>>>> improvements published as
                  they become available. You can find more info<br
                    clear="none">
                  >>>>>> here:<br clear="none">
                  >>>>>><br clear="none">
                  >>>>>><br clear="none">
                  >>>>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    shape="rect"
href="http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920024149.do?intcmp=il-prog-books-videos-product-intsrch_erlang_ct"
                    target="_blank">http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920024149.do?intcmp=il-prog-books-videos-product-intsrch_erlang_ct</a><br
                    clear="none">
                  >>>>>><br clear="none">
                  >>>>>> If you use discount code
                  authd, you will get 50% off the Early Release,<br
                    clear="none">
                  >>>>>> and 40% on pre-orders of the
                  the printed copy.<br clear="none">
                  >>>>>><br clear="none">
                  >>>>>> Looking forward to your
                  feedback,<br clear="none">
                  >>>>>><br clear="none">
                  >>>> Not for nothing, but $50 for the
                  undedited work-in-progress seems a bit<br clear="none">
                  >>>> steep (and yes, I saw the discount
                  code).  I also note that "rough cuts"<br clear="none">
                  >>>> aren't included in my Safari
                  subscription.<br clear="none">
                  >>>><br clear="none">
                  >>>> Usual practice that I've seen is for
                  works-in-progress to be free, with<br clear="none">
                  >>>> tools that support comments from
                  early readers.<br clear="none">
                  >>>><br clear="none">
                  >>>> Sounds interesting - but, from the
                  TOC (all that's available without<br clear="none">
                  >>>> paying), it sure looks like it covers
                  the same ground as "Erlang and OTP in<br clear="none">
                  >>>> Action."<br clear="none">
                  >>>><br clear="none">
                  >>>> Miles Fidelman<br clear="none">
                  >>>><br clear="none">
                  >>>> --<br clear="none">
                  >>>> In theory, there is no difference
                  between theory and practice.<br clear="none">
                  >>>> In practice, there is.  .... Yogi
                  Berra<br clear="none">
                  >>>><br clear="none">
                  >>>>
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                  >>>> erlang-questions mailing list<br
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                  >>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    shape="rect"
                    ymailto="mailto:erlang-questions@erlang.org"
                    href="mailto:erlang-questions@erlang.org">erlang-questions@erlang.org</a><br
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                  >>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                    href="http://erlang.org/mailman/listinfo/erlang-questions"
                    target="_blank">http://erlang.org/mailman/listinfo/erlang-questions</a><br
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                  >>>
                  _______________________________________________<br
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                  >>> erlang-questions mailing list<br
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                  >>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" shape="rect"
                    ymailto="mailto:erlang-questions@erlang.org"
                    href="mailto:erlang-questions@erlang.org">erlang-questions@erlang.org</a><br
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                  >>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" shape="rect"
                    href="http://erlang.org/mailman/listinfo/erlang-questions"
                    target="_blank">http://erlang.org/mailman/listinfo/erlang-questions</a><br
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                  >><br clear="none">
                  >> --<br clear="none">
                  >> Erlang Solutions Ltd.<br clear="none">
                  >> <a moz-do-not-send="true" shape="rect"
                    href="http://www.erlang-solutions.com/"
                    target="_blank">http://www.erlang-solutions.com</a>
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                    >><br clear="none">
                    >>
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                    >> erlang-questions mailing list<br
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                    >> <a moz-do-not-send="true" shape="rect"
                      ymailto="mailto:erlang-questions@erlang.org"
                      href="mailto:erlang-questions@erlang.org">erlang-questions@erlang.org</a><br
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                    >> <a moz-do-not-send="true" shape="rect"
                      href="http://erlang.org/mailman/listinfo/erlang-questions"
                      target="_blank">http://erlang.org/mailman/listinfo/erlang-questions</a><br
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                    > _______________________________________________<br
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                    > erlang-questions mailing list<br clear="none">
                    > <a moz-do-not-send="true" shape="rect"
                      ymailto="mailto:erlang-questions@erlang.org"
                      href="mailto:erlang-questions@erlang.org">erlang-questions@erlang.org</a><br
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                    > <a moz-do-not-send="true" shape="rect"
                      href="http://erlang.org/mailman/listinfo/erlang-questions"
                      target="_blank">http://erlang.org/mailman/listinfo/erlang-questions</a><br
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                    -- <br clear="none">
                    Erlang Solutions Ltd.<br clear="none">
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                      target="_blank">http://www.erlang-solutions.com</a><br
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                    _______________________________________________<br
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                    erlang-questions mailing list<br clear="none">
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                      ymailto="mailto:erlang-questions@erlang.org"
                      href="mailto:erlang-questions@erlang.org">erlang-questions@erlang.org</a><br
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