[erlang-questions] Time for OTP to be Renamed?

Andrew Stone <>
Fri Feb 14 00:32:05 CET 2014


To clarify, that was not named at Pieter, just the general discussion about
naming of a 20 year old framework. Also, my name is my name.


On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 6:28 PM, Andrew Stone <>wrote:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3JzbWVDzac
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 6:14 PM, Pieter Hintjens <> wrote:
>
>> I'm sorry for adding to a thread so long that the scroll bar on my
>> browser broke and I had to revert to Mutt.
>>
>> The C language had for many years a separate set of tools called
>> "libraries". At some stage a set of these became "standard" and were
>> incorporated into the ANSI definition of the language. The libraries
>> still exist, with their original weird names. However we don't speak
>> of C / stdlib. We speak of C99, perhaps.
>>
>> It's not about killing OTP and/or changing its name to something
>> sexier. It's about accepting that this is a standard part of the
>> language and can be removed from the front of the stage.
>>
>> Simpler is almost always better.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 11:23 PM, Ivan Uemlianin <>
>> wrote:
>> > Dear Loïc
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>> >
>> > I need to do some detailed experiments with release packaging &
>> upgrading. I can certainly see that upgrades affecting how state is
>> represented might be simpler done offline.
>> >
>> > Best wishes
>> >
>> > Ivan
>> >
>> > --
>> > festina lente
>> >
>> >
>> >> On 13 Feb 2014, at 21:54, Loïc Hoguin <> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> They are very hard to get right. Upgrading a live system is really
>> difficult, even with OTP. There are many ways things can go wrong, from the
>> new code breaking things to your state being partially lost (worse than
>> losing all of it!) while upgrading it.
>> >>
>> >> It requires a lot of testing to get right, and as such is eating up a
>> lot of time. A 2 minutes change can easily take you 2 hours to test and
>> make sure the upgrade will actually work as intended.
>> >>
>> >>> On 02/13/2014 10:51 PM, Ivan Uemlianin wrote:
>> >>> Dear Loïc
>> >>>
>> >>> Please pardon my hopping over from another thread.
>> >>>
>> >>>> On 13 Feb 2014, at 20:54, Loïc Hoguin <> wrote:
>> >>> ...
>> >>>> ... few people use release upgrades for example...
>> >>>
>> >>> What are the good reasons for not using release upgrades?  I am full
>> of n00bish enthusiasm for them.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks
>> >>>
>> >>> Ivan
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> festina lente
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Loïc Hoguin
>> >> http://ninenines.eu
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