[erlang-questions] Time for OTP to be Renamed?

Loïc Hoguin essen@REDACTED
Thu Feb 13 20:22:22 CET 2014

On 02/13/2014 06:48 PM, kraythe . wrote:
> So it seems the general sort of feeling is: "We don't really care about
> adoption or how things are presented to the development community as well.
> We call it Open Telecom Platform and if that means you can't sell a project
> to management in Erlang then we don't care. Adoption is not a priority of
> this community or Ericson in specific and thats that."

I'm late in reading the thread and to be honest after reading this I 
couldn't care less anymore. I'll say this though:

How the hell do you come up with "the community and Ericsson doesn't 
care about adoption" from a topic where you voice your concerns about 
the name being misleading? And why do you even mention Ericsson? You 
didn't even talk to them.

And most importantly, what really matters? Adoption, or being able to 
write systems that actually work? Java has adoption, but everything is 
fundamentally broken. Is that really what you prefer? Being able to pay 
a dozen monkeys to piss awful code where one Erlang developer would have 
sufficed? Forcing said monkeys to take shifts at night to fix your 
system every other week where Erlang fixes itself automatically? And 
finally, do you prefer having a system with millions of lines of code 
that is essentially an unmaintanable mess with leaky abstractions all 
over the place, or a system with tens of thousands of lines of code with 
each "object" cleanly isolated in its own process?

If you think adoption is most important, then you are clearly in the 
wrong place, not because the community doesn't want it, but because it 
doesn't want to *sacrifice* everything else just to get more people to 
use it. Especially when that sacrifice has no clear benefits, like with 
changing the name.

And just so you know, Erlang *is* getting adopted, I have personally 
trained a hundred people this past year, many of them whose company just 
started doing Erlang or having done a couple small projects. There *is* 
adoption, it's just not in the same scale as Java, and never will, 
because you can't pay monkeys to piss Erlang code, while Java has a 
whole industry based on providing those code monkeys.

Loïc Hoguin

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