Brain Dump #1
Thu Feb 6 15:04:18 CET 2003
On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, Mickael Remond wrote:
> * Vlad Dumitrescu (EAW) <> [2003-02-06 13:06:26 +0100]:
> > - Instant messaging & NoXML & pure Erlang communication: maybe it won't be a bad idea to have an interface towards the other IM systems, too - let's leave the door open for the world. Also, I don't think you mean to throw away the existing protocols (that work), just to make them use another encoding?
> The fusion of the Jabber, Zope based on pure Erlang communication is a very
> good idea. Thierry and I are thinking that wa can indeed do better that those tools.
> Zope is a good product regarding end user functionnalities and scope but is
> relying on a poor design technology compared to Erlang.
> However, I did not grasp your transition between this first idea and the fact
> that we need volunteer to parse true type font and could handle PDF
> I do not see this as the most direct way to implement this kind of platform.
> So why do you see this part as the most important things to begin with ?
It's not the most important to begin with - this was a *brain dump*
- this is the problem that interest me most at the moment.
From the point of view of a community project a set of servers in a
loose peer-to-peer network with a plug-in architecture is what I think
is needed to boot things off.
I wrote a skeleton server with this in mind a while back - I'll dig
it out and write it up as a tutorial - If we could add the leadership
election of Uffe + Thomas Arts we'd be in business ....
question: how many people have machines with permanent un-firewalled
Internet access? - I have a few at SICS - we need these to bootstrap
I think any community project needs a lot of *writing* doing - most
community projects seem to me to be useless because I can't understand
what they do and what they are - the people *in* the project all get
wildly excited - they hack code like mad and nobody outside the
project can understand *anything*
We must not fall into this trap.
We need clear architectural documents - written in plain no-nonsense
English that everybody can understand - otherwise we'll just get "yet
another bright idea that failed"
A lot of the computer stuff we see around us is just plain junk - if
we want to improve this we have to explain pedagogically *why* it is
junk and then show how it can be improved.
If people do not understand something they will not use it.
> > - send mail to things: isn't this basically the same idea as behind Jini or
> > WebServices, for example? Just a matter of protocol and of scale :-) I think
> > it can be done and should be done, and Erlang is the best tool!
> Regarding Jabber, I think it is not very different than an SMTP based messaging
> system. Jabber is nothing more than a logical bus based on XML. I have thought
> on several design for such a bus and at the end I think that it always come
> very close to an SMTP server. The most simple way to build such a data oriented
> bus is to build it arount an SMTP server.
> However, some specific element of the Instant Messaging protocol such as the
> "presence" indicater needs something different (Connexion to the server is
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