[erlang-questions] newbie web-development advice / guidance

OvermindDL1 overminddl1@REDACTED
Wed Aug 3 18:20:59 CEST 2011

I am curious, how is ChicagoBoss compared to Nitrogen?
On Aug 2, 2011 11:31 PM, "Icarus Alive" <icarus.alive@REDACTED> wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 3:54 AM, Benson Wong <mostlygeek@REDACTED> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> My background is a web developer (~15 years), done PHP for about 11
>> So I know it pretty well.
>> Just starting to learn Erlang. Done lots of javascript (jQuery, node.js,
>> etc). So a PHP developer, in the Erlang pool here :)
>> I think an imperative language like PHP would be a lot easier (and more
>> agile) to build the web app in than Erlang. I would choose erlang if I
>> long lived connections (web sockets, long-poll, etc). Frameworks like
>> (Python)/Rails (ruby) would also make life easier.
>> If you want scalability/reliability/performance, add more PHP processes /
>> servers.
>> PHP is shared nothing, so it is easy to scale. Just add more. Using Nginx
>> PHP-FPM. Solves a lot of slow request issues.
>> Put them behind an HTTP load balancer, HAProxy is a very popular choice.
>> Performance is usually database bound than it is app server bound.
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 6:16 AM, Icarus Alive <icarus.alive@REDACTED>
>> wrote:
>>> Would appreciate if my thread wasn't hijacked :-)... although gotta
>>> agree that our scenarios are quite similar.
>>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 6:31 PM, Banibrata Dutta
>>> <banibrata.dutta@REDACTED> wrote:
>>> > Thanks @Marc, for taking time to reply this this mail.
>>> > On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Marc Worrell <marc@REDACTED> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> It mostly depends on what kind of web development you want to do.
>>> >>
>>> >> Is it more of a mobile application than a publishing web site?
>>> In my case, content characteristics are:
>>> 1. Always originating from single source
>>> 2. Always consumed by single user
>>> 3. Content has short lifetime - once consumed, will be archived
>>> 4. Each user has several hundreds of content display to her in "newest
>>> first" fashion
>>> >>
>>> >> Does is have specific authentication schemes?
>>> >> Etc. Etc.
>>> >
>>> > Honestly, haven't given this enough thought. One of the requirements
>>> > to
>>> > ensure privacy of user data, and that of the interaction. I'm yet to
>>> > figure
>>> > out the "how" part.
>> Security/Privacy, this is more of an operation and application design
>> it is a Erlang/OTP vs PHP/Ruby/Python+framework.
>> Generally you'd want to:
>> * firewalls, no SSH access, web servers are only web servers, ie: only
>> 443 open.
>> * use cookie based sessions. Don't use HTTP basic authentication.
>> * Server has controls all access based on the cookie.
>> * Use HTTPS. Always.
>> * There are lots of other techniques:
>> -- use bcrypt for passwords
>> -- sessions can be limited to one IP address at a time
>> -- sessions have short expire times (controlled on the server)
>> -- etc.
>>> Well in my case it has to be some strong authentication. Storage,
>>> archival and access has to conform to HIPAA compliance. So we know we
>>> are dealing with EMR type content.
> Hi Benson,
> Really appreciate your descriptive & informative response, especially
> so for the part on security.
> My inclination towards Erlang stems from the fact that I was intending
> to do much of the backend in Erlang as well. The backend does lot of
> other things than just bridging between FE client request/responses
> and a DB, s.a. converting content format, managing archival policies,
> do some data analysis for reporting etc. Maybe some of that via ports.
> I wish I'd seen your mail few days back, because having tried both
> Nitrogen and Zotonic, which are I am sure excellent products, I think
> I've found peace in settling for ChicagoBoss. I found it lot easier to
> work with, as a beginner, maybe because the FP guts are almost hidden
> away from sight, and much of the developer/user coding is done in an
> imperative fashion. Also, I found it's documentation (although quite
> light) to be simple & just-enough to get me started and get me going.
> However, I might have to come back to PHP unless I am able to train my
> team on Erlang. Being a beginner, I find it hard to imagine being a
> good teacher / coach for rest of the team.
> Thanks again, everyone, for responding on this thread.
> Icarus.
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