[erlang-questions] Re: Running Erlang on Android (like running sheep on electricity)
Fri Jan 15 19:40:20 CET 2010
It appears that there is something that approximates libc on Android
(even called libc.so). Here's a link to a guy that first built a
minimal Debian install, then later figured out how to patch a project
(in this case, Mono) to run natively.
As much as I don't particularly care for what Google has done, Java,
Python, Ruby, and .NET can run on Android. If Erlang doesn't, I don't
think the reasons are so much technical as they are more a lack of
time and desire to do it. In either case, let's not blame Google.
That's an unnecessary excuse.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 15, 2010, at 3:56 AM, "Michael Turner" <leap@REDACTED> wrote:
> Erlang needs something adequately Unix-like. Erlang is a C-coded
> app, so
> you pretty much need some approximation of the standard C library.
> Android deliver?
> Android is Linux, but not really. Android is a Java platform. But
> even that, in the "write once run anywhere" sense.
> "Although Android is built on top of the Linux kernel, the platform
> very little in common with the conventional desktop Linux stack. In
> fact, during a presentation at the Google IO conference, Google
> Patrick Brady stated unambiguously that Android is not Linux.
> "Much of the Android userspace operates within the constraints of
> Dalvik, Google's own custom Java virtual machine. Dalvik uses its own
> bytecode format called Dex, and is not compatible with J2ME or other
> Java runtime environments. Third-party Android applications are
> in Java using Android's official APIs and widget toolkit. The Android
> SDK includes special compilation tools that will translate Java class
> files into Dex bytecode and generate an installation package that
> can be
> deployed on Android devices."
> Call me a cynic, but have you looked at Google's P/E? It's
> ridiculously high. Something's gotta give eventually, and I think
> it'll be the numerator. But imagine you're high up in Google, with
> lots of stock options. Of course, you want your options to vest
> with a
> handsome profit. But that can't happen if the P part of the P/E drops
> down to something rational and un-exuberant. So you might promote all
> kinds of unlikely projects if you noticed (and how could you not?)
> any thrusty new project associated with Google made many investors
> continue to think that Google might have The Next Big Thing. They all
> want to believe that anyway, of course, but spending what *seems* like
> lots of money signals to those investors that their belief is almost
> certainly justified.
> Maybe Ericcson should come out with an Erlang over TRON over ARM, for
> phones. They could call it Ndroid, right? When Google sued them for
> that name (a legal move that would do little more than generate
> publicity for Ericsson), they could quickly change the name to
> ARMsTRONg. (After all, Intel *couldn't* sue them for that -- it's too
> late, Intel gave up on ARM, which they never really wanted anyway,
> it just came as part of their winnings in some lawsuit.)
> Why, yes, I *did* used to work in Silicon Valley until I got sick to
> death of marketing/stock-manipulation/patent-infringement-claim
> headgames. How did you guess?
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