<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">' I don’t have a strong opinion on this EEP, as I don’t generally write Erlang.' </p>
<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">So why giving an opinion, then? (no offense) </p>
<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">The counselors are not payers, there. </p>
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<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">Envoyé depuis mon mobile </p><br><br>---- Austin Ziegler a écrit ----<br><br><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 2:03 PM <a href="mailto:valentin@micic.co.za">valentin@micic.co.za</a> <<a href="mailto:valentin@pixie.co.za">valentin@pixie.co.za</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div>Dear Austin, </div><div><br></div><div>To assert that people do not like a particular proposal because “it looks too much like Elixir” is not just unfair, but outright insulting.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>How, then is one supposed to take comments as the following (emphases added by me):</div><div><ul><li>And furthermore in this particular EEP there's this thing I hate more than anything else - turning language X to language Y. Quote - "This is known as "pinning" in Elixir - see the Elixir documentation." <b>If you like Elixir do your job with Elixir. Why spoil Erlang?</b> Especially when, quote - "In current Erlang, this behaviour is what happens automatically...".</li><li>I said it for years. <b>Elixir is cutting the branch it is sitting on.</b><br></li><li>Retire the entire string-as-list paradigm, use binaries by default (<b>the one good thing about Elixir</b>), and at last make everything UTF-8 by default.</li><li>Somehow my (sad) feeling is the idea is exactly in destroying the Erlang<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span>as we know it. "<b>No matter how hard we try, we cannot make Elixir more<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span>preferable -- at least let us make Erlang *less* preferable.</b>"</li><li><b>One question - why? Just because we can? Erlang is doomed, Sorry Joe, we f**d things up.</b></li></ul></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div>This thread is about discussing a proposal for language change and we should try our best to keep our focus on that.</div><div>Introducing a completely irrelevant (I’d even say imaginary) argument in support of any given position is not helpful at all.</div></div></blockquote><div> </div><div>One would be hard pressed to call my characterization of these quotes as <i>imaginary</i>. These are all from the last ~3 days (and reflect 3–4 different posters). The previous discussion about 18 months ago was just as full of such hyperbolic inanity. I think that my shorthand of "it looks too much like Elixir" as characterizations of these quotes is as positive as one can get.</div><div><br></div><div>Languages <i>do</i> evolve over time. I don’t have a strong opinion on this EEP, as I don’t generally write Erlang. I think that there are some solid objections to it as written, and at least a couple of counter-proposals that should probably be written as EEPs as alternatives to this one (and to each other; the two would probably be mutually exclusive). I even agree that "oh, ghu, <i>another</i> sigil" is a legitimate objection (there’s some recent syntax added to Ruby that I’m ambivalent to negative about). But any objection which includes fears of Erlang becoming not Erlang or slights against another programming language for <i>reasons </i>can and should probably be dismissed from the discussion for being hyperbolic and unproductive. It indicates that the posters don’t have any trust in the Erlang core development team, and are likely pining for a time / world that never actually existed.</div><div><br></div><div>Broadly, this would be the difference between conservationism and conservatism. The former is good. The latter leads to stagnation, irrelevance, and regression.</div><div><br></div><div>-a</div></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature">Austin Ziegler • <a href="mailto:halostatue@gmail.com" target="_blank">halostatue@gmail.com</a> • <a href="mailto:austin@halostatue.ca" target="_blank">austin@halostatue.ca</a><br><a href="http://www.halostatue.ca/" target="_blank">http://www.halostatue.ca/</a> • <a href="http://twitter.com/halostatue" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/halostatue</a></div></div>