<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><p class="p1" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1">This obsession with elixir is a bit strange. It was developed ten years ago to appeal to Ruby programmers and is already looking old-fashioned. No doubt there are interesting elixir projects but for a good while now language innovation on the BEAM has predominantly been statically typed.</span></p><p class="p2" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; min-height: 20.3px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1"></span><br></p><p class="p1" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1">Side issue perhaps but has been brought up several times in this thread.</span></p><p class="p1" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1"><br></span></p><p class="p1" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1">Ivan</span></p><br><div dir="ltr">—<div>hilaritas excessum habere nequit</div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On 18 Dec 2021, at 09:48, Daniel Widgren <daniel.widgren@gmail.com> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"> I think the mailing list has had its role in the community, but I can't see any discussion in this list that we can't have in a forum. More than people will not be there because they don't like Forums. My feeling is that we lose more new developers or companies because we have a mailing list.<br><br>When companies look around to see if they should use Erlang or Elixir, Elixir will win. The reasons are straightforward, and they can see a community, have a better discussion and adopt new approaches.<br><br>This list has had some good runs, but for me, Forums and Slack community have been so much better than this list or IRC. I am not saying they are perfect, and we maybe change to something else in a couple of years.<br><br>This Forum is ten years late, and we should have unified somewhere long ago. If things aren't changing, Erlang will be a building block for Elixir, and it will be even harder to convince companies why they should use Erlang.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Den lör 18 dec. 2021 kl 10:21 skrev Eric Pailleau <<a href="mailto:eric.pailleau@wanadoo.fr">eric.pailleau@wanadoo.fr</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px">Thanks Yao, </p>
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<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px">I couldn't tell better my feelings on this. </p>
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<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px">I'm not against the forum, I did a try, but my feelings is that both are not the same goal. </p>
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<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px">We need to keep mailing for some subjects to be discussed with OTP team. And also announcements. </p>
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<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px">Forum is helpful for helping new comers, creating groups around some applications etc. </p>
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<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px">Regards </p>
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<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px">Envoyé depuis mon mobile </p><br><br>---- Yao Bao a écrit ----<br><br>Hello,<br><br><br><br>Erlang bring us together as a community, we don't share data<br><br>between processes, but we do share love from Erlang.<br><br><br><br>It is not common for programmers say "love" to a programming<br><br>language. Erlang programmers might not use Erlang in daily job,<br><br>but we are willing to put some of our life and energy into this.<br><br>Personally, mainly because of the uncommon beauty of it.<br><br><br><br>Yes, we are still marginal. And this might be the root cause of<br><br>this movement. I can understand it, but why can't we have both?<br><br><br><br>Yes, resources are always limited, and we can't split energy into<br><br>two things equally, this is understandable. But having both, or,<br><br>in a foreseeable future, we might discover some better methods<br><br>to organize our community, then we can say this is the true "rich"<br><br>community. New generations are good and unavoidable, but I<br><br>hope we can keep the old generations as much as we can.<br><br><br><br>Every once in a while, some shiny things appears, and we are<br><br>not against shiny things, they are good, if it is good enough to<br><br>replace the old one entirely, nobody will miss it. We just need<br><br>sometime to prove it.<br><br><br><br>We can deprecate language features, but I hope we do not<br><br>deprecate people. Shiny tools can attract young generations,<br><br>I don't know the story or history about Elixir forums, but I would<br><br>say the biggest difference would be the origin of these two<br><br>languages. Of course it is good to have a try, after receiving the<br><br>new Erlang forums announcement, I give it a try almost<br><br>immediately, and personally prefer this mailing list for now.<br><br><br><br>Although as we see, this mailing list is not very "active", but we<br><br>really care about it. And this might be why some "sad" emotion<br><br>comes along. If we don't care about it, we would not say any word<br><br>about it.<br><br><br><br>I really hope this mailing list is still alive. Maybe one reason would<br><br>be good enough to keep it: old generations are still alive.<br><br><br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Yao<br><br><br><br></blockquote></div>
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