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<p> FWIW the speaker in question has never come across to me as
being hostile towards Erlang, etc. They have always been very laid
back, open to ideas, erlang, etc. In fact, I was talking to them
about Erlang earlier this week and they encouraged me to talk
about Erlang in an Elixir dominated environment :) So, I have to
assume that things came across the wrong way due to language
barriers, etc. Jokes in particular get lost in translation easily
and can be seen as something hostile or malicious... The folly of
language. <br>
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<p> Then there's always the possibility the talk was a behavioral
experiment :) <br>
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<p> But I'm glad we got a line of communication open as that's the
only way that squashes these issues. The BEAM communities need
group therapy sometimes IMO :) <br>
</p>
<p> There's been a lot of hostility from the Erlang community
towards Elixir in the past... and I wonder if the echoes of all
that are so ingrained in some of us that we have knee jerk
reactions sometimes (i.e., we hear something from an Elixir
speaker and absolutely take it the wrong way). Having come from
Elixir to Erlang I very much have seen both sides of that coin. I
know this much.... <br>
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<p> The main thing... Elixir is Erlang, LFE is Elang, Efene is
Erlang, Gleam is Erlang, etc.... While from one side it appears
Elixir is another language... I don't think many, especially in
the Elixir community feel that way... especially core members,
syntactical differences aside Elixir is erlang. BEAM on!<br>
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<p>--</p>
<p>Bryan<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/23/19 11:57 AM, Oliver Korpilla
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<div>I hear you. One can only hope. Those things always happen,
though, almost invariably. I guess it has mostly to do with
the desire to carve one's own niche.
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<div style="margin:0 0 10px 0;"><b>Gesendet:</b> Samstag,
23. März 2019 um 17:46 Uhr<br>
<b>Von:</b> "Bryan Paxton" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:starbelly@pobox.com"><starbelly@pobox.com></a><br>
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<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:arif@riseup.net">arif@riseup.net</a>, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:erlang-questions@erlang.org">erlang-questions@erlang.org</a><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: Aw: Re: [erlang-questions] Elixir
community, please be more responsible; Erlang community,
please demand it.</div>
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<p> I hear ya... I was being lazy :) I see who it is
and I have to wonder if some of what he said was in
gest? Maybe just didn't come across right? I hope so
:(</p>
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<p>--</p>
<p>Bryan</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/23/19 11:44 AM,
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<div>I'd prefer no calling out of the name, what
good will that do?</div>
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<div style="margin: 0 0 10.0px 0;"><b>Gesendet:</b> Samstag,
23. März 2019 um 17:36 Uhr<br>
<b>Von:</b> "Bryan Paxton" <a
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<b>An:</b> <a
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moz-do-not-send="true">arif@riseup.net</a>,
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<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [erlang-questions]
Elixir community, please be more
responsible; Erlang community, please demand
it.</div>
<div> Who was the speaker?<br>
<br>
On 3/23/19 11:13 AM, <a
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wrote:<br>
> Yesterday I attended the Code Beam Lite
conference in Bologna, Italy. It<br>
> ended with a keynote by an Elixir Core
Team member, entitled "Elixir<br>
> Architecture 101".<br>
><br>
> At the end of an otherwise interesting
talk, which started with the<br>
> presenter saying he hated Erlang (some
in the audience found it funny)<br>
> and in which he occasionally made fun
of Joe and of the perceived<br>
> shortcomings of Erlang, I couldn’t help
wonder where Elixir was in all<br>
> that talk, since the “Elixir”
architecture presented, was practically<br>
> OTP.<br>
><br>
> I find this very much in bad taste and
not helpful towards a beneficial<br>
> sharing and spreading of knowledge. I
don’t know if the Code of Conduct<br>
> of the Code Beam conferences
contemplates this, but I would favour<br>
> forbidding it.<br>
><br>
> If Elixir has something good to offer,
and I think it has, let its<br>
> community showcase that, advance the
common good and knowledge, and not<br>
> promote its cause through what, in my
eyes, would amount to plagiarism,<br>
> viz. letting things pass for Elixir,
when they are Erlang/OTP, nor<br>
> through ridiculing anyone or anything,
least of all the very things or<br>
> persons that made it even possible. It
not only looks childish to me, I<br>
> believe it is also damaging to the many
excellent minds in the very<br>
> Elixir community.<br>
><br>
> Elixir community, please be more
responsible; Erlang community, please<br>
> demand it.<br>
>
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