<div dir="ltr"><div><div>"retarded"<br><br></div>Poor word choice given the thread topic.<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:38 PM, Charles Hixson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:charleshixsn@earthlink.net" target="_blank">charleshixsn@earthlink.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Well, it really depends on how long the library has had that
name. I never expected the gimp people to change the name of
their program when it was pointed out that some might find the
name offensive...but it has retarded the success of the project
significantly, and kept it out of at least two businesses that I
know of. Recently they've started altering the display so that is
doesn't say "The Gimp" but now says "The GNU Image Manipulation
Program" on the startup screen. That's what "The Gimp" always
stood for, but now they've altered the startup screen to make the
name less blatant...because some people <b class="m_3567468713924066679moz-txt-star"><span class="m_3567468713924066679moz-txt-tag">*</span>were<span class="m_3567468713924066679moz-txt-tag">*</span></b>
offended, and because businesses didn't want to risk offending
customers.
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I wouldn't avoid using the library because of the name, but I
might well avoid mentioning it to others.
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<div class="m_3567468713924066679moz-cite-prefix">On 02/12/2018 08:58 AM, Russell Brown
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<pre>Tristan is right. This really is awful. I can’t believe there’s even an argument. If someone emailed me to tell me that my library's name was offensive, I’d apologises and change it. Maybe that’s just me. I think this case is indefensible. And those who ask that we _not talk about it_ but instead talk about the technical merits, no.
If there’s a commercial entity associated with this I hope they act soon.
I need to use erlang for my work, please don’t stick with this name. I don’t want to be in anyway even tangentially associated with it. Does github not have some policy about this repo name, also?
On 12 Feb 2018, at 17:16, Tristan Sloughter <a class="m_3567468713924066679moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:t@crashfast.com" target="_blank"><t@crashfast.com></a> wrote:
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<pre>This is awful. But sadly not surprising. Intent only matters in the sense the author is not at fault. Intent does not matter when it comes to whether or not you want to not push people away.
For those who don't care what I or Fred say since we are white, it is easy enough to go ask Black developers in North American.
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On Mon, Feb 12, 2018, at 7:29 AM, <a class="m_3567468713924066679moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:zxq9@zxq9.com" target="_blank">zxq9@zxq9.com</a> wrote:
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<pre>On 2018年2月12日月曜日 10時16分51秒 JST Fred Hebert wrote:
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<pre>No.
Fred, I have enormous respect for you and have gone several rounds with
you on several subjects, each time having learned something for my own
part. On technical subjects, anyway.
But... INTENT
You are demonstraby wrong already. Just stop. You will not win against
the weight of history.
This is becoming some SJW ridiculousness already, not because you care
about that but because of the ambient temperature. I know SJW flippancy
is not your intent, but that is the only place this winds up going these
days. That is not a small failure -- it quickly becomes a systemic one,
not just in a concurrent software system of ephemeral importance, but a
concrete socio-economic one of critical importance that pays for all the
other parties we enjoy.
Riddle me this:
If we cannot undersand enough about the software systems that WE WRITE
OURSELVES that we need the "let it crash" mentality, how is it that we
somehow understand to a manifest degree the economic and social value
systems (which are profoundly more complex than our petty software
systems) that we can dictate value within them? By what restart
mechanism is this all brought back to a "reasonble default"?
I am sincerely desirous of an answer here, because I have a profound
respect for your intellect but cannot imagine that you have properly
considered the alternatives or where this path of discourse winds up
eventualy going.
-Craig
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