<div dir="ltr"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><br class="gmail-Apple-interchange-newline">> I've actually told my browser never to show characters as smaller than 14pt, but somehow the Elixir page is overriding that.</div><div><br></div><div>I could not reproduce this on Safari, Chrome and Firefox. I would appreciate if you could send me your browser and respective version, possibly in private to not derail the discussion, so I can file a proper bug report. We have actually put a good amount of effort to ensure the page scales up and down accordingly when using the browser zoom features, including mobile and other devices.</div><div><br></div><div><div>> In the summary, the text is in italics for no apparent reason. On the evidence so far, I can only assume that the reason is to make it harder to read.</div><div><br></div><div>Good point. I will also open up an issue to discuss the use of italics.</div></div><div><br></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>> The fact that it is possible to get a list of functions is far from obvious. (I expected it to be a link.)</div><div><br></div><div>Yup, as mentioned in previous replies, this is already on the bug reports list.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-size:13px"><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;border-collapse:collapse"><b>José Valim</b></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;border-collapse:collapse"><div><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:x-small"><a href="http://www.plataformatec.com.br/" style="color:rgb(42,93,176)" target="_blank">www.plataformatec.com.br</a></span></div><div><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:x-small">Skype: jv.ptec</span></div><div><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:x-small">Founder and Director of R&D</span></div></span></div></span></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 3:58 AM, Richard A. O'Keefe <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ok@cs.otago.ac.nz" target="_blank">ok@cs.otago.ac.nz</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class="gmail-"><br>
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Have you looked at the Elixir doc for<br>
example <a href="http://elixir-lang.org/docs/stable/elixir/Kernel.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://elixir-lang.org/docs/st<wbr>able/elixir/Kernel.html</a>?<br>
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I have.<br>
I see EXTREMELY wide margins in the main panel.<br>
This is a waste of my screen real estate and gives me<br>
a bad feeling straight away.<br>
I see SMALL characters in the main panel.<br>
I've actually told my browser never to show characters<br>
as smaller than 14pt, but somehow the Elixir page is<br>
overriding that.<br>
<br>
By the way, this already raises a MAJOR accessibility<br>
issue. Tim Berners-Lee always wanted HTML to be usable<br>
by people who had poor vision or none. One of the points<br>
of using Cascading Style Sheets is that the user is<br>
supposed to be able to set defaults (like no small text)<br>
that the web page cannot (or at least should not) override.<br>
That means that setting font sizes is a VERY user-hostile<br>
thing for a web designer to do, and means that you have<br>
(or at least should exert) much less control over layout<br>
than you think.<br>
<br>
There is something worse. The code examples on the page<br>
are in an even SMALLER font than the text, and they are<br>
in pale colours (pale orange, pale purple) against a white<br>
background, making them even HARDER to see.<br>
<br>
In the summary, the text is in italics for no apparent<br>
reason. On the evidence so far, I can only assume that the<br>
reason is to make it harder to read.<br>
<br>
So just at first glance I can tell that the author hates me.<br>
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And this you think is "quite good"?<br>
<br>
I see a dark blue? grey? purple navbar. The text is even<br>
SMALLER than the code text in the main panel, and appears to<br>
be pale blue against dark blue. It's a strain to read.<br>
It's a list of modules. The fact that it is possible to<br>
get a list of functions is far from obvious. (I expected<br>
it to be a link.)<br>
<br>
It doesn't help that I find dark colours depressing and my<br>
eyes automatically turn away from big dark blobs, so it<br>
takes conscious effort to attend to the navbar. It's just<br>
so dark and ugly.<br>
<br>
Not content with wasting about half of the horizontal extent<br>
of the main panel, when I go to the "Functions" part of the<br>
page, it wastes about half of the vertical extent of the<br>
main panel with unnecessary white space. It wastes much of<br>
the rest with trivial examples. I love examples, but I do<br>
not want to see them ALL the time.<br>
<br>
And this you think is "quite good"?<br>
<br>
While I'm no spring moa, I have new glasses and am accepted<br>
as fine for driving, and am comfortable reading printed<br>
10-point type. (Why then do I set 14pt minimum in the browser?<br>
High resolution screen, and designers who count pixels instead<br>
of points. Web designers tend to assume that their resolution<br>
is everyone's resolution. I remember being slammed as a moron<br>
by one web designer for not knowing that screen resolutions<br>
higher than 72 dots per inch didn't exist, at a time when I was<br>
using a Mac with 90 dots per inch.)<br>
<br>
I am prepared to swear in court that man pages are much<br>
easier for me to read than this web page.<br>
<br>
It is clear that a huge amount of work has gone into the<br>
Elixir web pages, trying to make them visually attractive.<br>
(Abuse of the principle of mediocrity: If I like it,<br>
everyone likes it.) And it's also clear that a lot of<br>
effort has gone into providing examples.<br>
<br>
It's just that for me the Elixir pages are unpleasant<br>
*because* of the work that has gone into them.<br>
<br>
It seems pretty obvious that HTML pages that *I* think<br>
are beautiful will look horrible to someone else.<span class="gmail-"><br>
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I think the layout and function is quite good and the handling of css<br>
and javascript is from what I can understand<br>
handled nicely.<br>
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I can't think of any good reason for Erlang documentation pages<br>
to contain any JavaScript whatsoever. Lynx doesn't include a<br>
JavaScript interpreter, and Emacs-W3 doesn't include a JavaScript<br>
interpreter, and for that matter, one of the web browsers I use<br>
from time to time doesn't include a JavaScript interpreter.<br>
(No, navbars *don't* need JavaScript.)<br>
<br>
For search, I'd like to use a proper IR engine. You *really*<br>
don't want to load an IR index into every page.<div class="gmail-HOEnZb"><div class="gmail-h5"><br>
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