<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div><span><br></span></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> "<span style="font-size: 16px;">Erlang either gets its cost model way down, or it dies. Quote me on</span><br clear="none" style="font-size: 16px;"><span style="font-size: 16px;">that if you like. Our industry has no pity for excess friction, and</span><br clear="none" style="font-size: 16px;"><span style="font-size: 16px;">you have competitors."</span></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;">Very provocative, so please explain in greater detail. </div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;">Best,</div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;">Thomas<br
clear="none"> <br> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> On Sunday, February 16, 2014 9:44 AM, Pieter Hintjens <ph@imatix.com> wrote:<br> </font> </div> <blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <div class="y_msg_container">On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 11:31 PM, Michael Truog <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:mjtruog@gmail.com" href="mailto:mjtruog@gmail.com">mjtruog@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none">> Erlang provides a stable<br clear="none">> distributed system development platform that provides many avenues for<br clear="none">> integration, as shown by its successes, so your complaints show
your<br clear="none">> ignorance.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Good job on smacking down my ignorant complaints. I feel chastised and<br clear="none">would slink back to silent observation of Erlang's slow demise at the<br clear="none">hands of people who always know better. Except, I will take the bait.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Cloudi looks valiant in a tragic fashion. A 1-person project still in<br clear="none">beta that uses REST as its messaging carrier. How can I count the ways<br clear="none">this will fail? Anyone looking for a HTTP-based cloud will use Open<br clear="none">Stack, period. Anyone smart will be thinking of new designs based on<br clear="none">much cheaper distributed messaging. People broadly either embrace risk<br clear="none">(then won't use this), or hate risk (then won't use this).<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Erlang's unique status used to be, we understand distributed systems.<br clear="none">Today that's
changed. There are many other ways to make distributed<br clear="none">systems, more cheaply, more successfully.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Erlang either gets its cost model way down, or it dies. Quote me on<br clear="none">that if you like. Our industry has no pity for excess friction, and<br clear="none">you have competitors.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I think this thread is really important. And the questions should not<br clear="none">be "what is Erlang called", since that's trivial to solve (just stop<br clear="none">saying "OTP" in polite company). The question should be, "where are<br clear="none">there friction costs and how can we remove them?"<br clear="none"><br clear="none">My example of outreach to other languages is about friction costs. If<br clear="none">it's trivial to integrate polyglot languages with Erlang, friction<br clear="none">costs fall right away.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Smacking down the ignorant won't
remove friction costs.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Cheers<div class="yqt6835738717" id="yqtfd81262"><br clear="none">Pieter<br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">erlang-questions mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:erlang-questions@erlang.org" href="mailto:erlang-questions@erlang.org">erlang-questions@erlang.org</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://erlang.org/mailman/listinfo/erlang-questions" target="_blank">http://erlang.org/mailman/listinfo/erlang-questions</a><br clear="none"></div><br><br></div> </blockquote> </div> </div> </div> </div></body></html>