Awesome!<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Loïc Hoguin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:essen@dev-extend.eu">essen@dev-extend.eu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Working on this:<br>
 <a href="https://github.com/extend/bullet" target="_blank">https://github.com/extend/<u></u>bullet</a><br>
<br>
Needs more work on the JS side (perhaps taking from socket.io-like projects later on) and documentation, but it works pretty well and is in production already.<br>
<br>
It's a bit different as it builds something upon websocket's design, it's more of an "always connected" websocket.<div class="im"><br>
<br>
On 12/19/2011 10:57 PM, Andrew Berman wrote:<br>
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">
A bit off topic, but have you ever considered adding support for<br>
something like Socket.IO (adding a TCP handler to support their<br>
JavaScript)? Â I think it's going to be a while before WebSockets is<br>
going to be able to be used across the web and I think Socket.IO is a<br>
great bridge until that time comes.<br>
<br>
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Loïc Hoguin <<a href="mailto:essen@dev-extend.eu" target="_blank">essen@dev-extend.eu</a><br></div><div class="im">
<mailto:<a href="mailto:essen@dev-extend.eu" target="_blank">essen@dev-extend.eu</a>>> wrote:<br>
<br>
  You can check out my implementation here for Cowboy:<br></div>
  <a href="https://github.com/extend/__cowboy/blob/master/src/cowboy___http_rest.erl" target="_blank">https://github.com/extend/__<u></u>cowboy/blob/master/src/cowboy_<u></u>__http_rest.erl</a><div class="im"><br>
  <<a href="https://github.com/extend/cowboy/blob/master/src/cowboy_http_rest.erl" target="_blank">https://github.com/extend/<u></u>cowboy/blob/master/src/cowboy_<u></u>http_rest.erl</a>><br>
<br>
  Clean straightforward code was one of the big goals of this work. It<br>
  has few differences with Webmachine, but people have been converting<br>
  resources from Webmachine to Cowboy without much pain. And Cowboy<br>
  already had a dispatcher so it was really just a matter of writing<br>
  the decision code.<br>
<br>
  Of course I'm open to any comment you may have about it, good or bad.<br>
<br>
<br>
  On 12/19/2011 10:34 PM, Andrew Berman wrote:<br>
<br>
    Ah, yes, I agree we would need a SimpleBridgeBinary and then go the<br>
    opposite way if a web server doesn't support binary<br>
    (binary_to_list).  I<br>
    don't think that would be too difficult to implement.  The<br>
    Webmachine<br>
    decision core is the more difficult part  but not too difficult<br>
    as it<br>
    has been implemented in many other languages which might make the<br>
    decisioning a bit easier to follow.<br>
<br>
    On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Loïc Hoguin<br>
    <<a href="mailto:essen@dev-extend.eu" target="_blank">essen@dev-extend.eu</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:essen@dev-extend.eu" target="_blank">essen@dev-extend.eu</a>><br></div><div><div class="h5">
    <mailto:<a href="mailto:essen@dev-extend.eu" target="_blank">essen@dev-extend.eu</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:essen@dev-extend.eu" target="_blank">essen@dev-extend.eu</a>>>> wrote:<br>
<br>
      SimpleBridge is nice, but it doesn't solve the OP's issue,<br>
    which is<br>
      that all the lists are being converted to binary when<br>
    encoding into<br>
      JSON, so he wants a binary webmachine to avoid converting<br>
    from lists<br>
      to binary all the time. I believe the implementation added<br>
    to Cowboy<br>
      recently does what the OP needs. On the other hand it's<br>
    definitely<br>
      tied to Cowboy and that should be taken into consideration when<br>
      deciding what to use. It's also still considered experimental,<br>
      although I've had good reports so far.<br>
<br>
      Now if there was a SimpleBinaryBridge project it could be more<br>
      suitable for his purpose, but afaik only Cowboy is full<br>
    binary so<br>
      far (only accepting (io)lists as output data). And of course<br>
    adding<br>
      Cowboy to SimpleBridge would just be a binary_to_list fest<br>
    and would<br>
      remove half the advantages of using that server so it's a<br>
    bit of a<br>
      dead end there.<br>
<br>
<br>
      On 12/19/2011 10:16 PM, Andrew Berman wrote:<br>
<br>
        There was talk on one of the mailing lists about using<br>
    something<br>
        like<br>
        SimpleBridge<br></div></div>
    (<a href="https://github.com/nitrogen/____simple_bridge" target="_blank">https://github.com/nitrogen/_<u></u>___simple_bridge</a><br>
    <<a href="https://github.com/nitrogen/__simple_bridge" target="_blank">https://github.com/nitrogen/_<u></u>_simple_bridge</a>><div><div class="h5"><br>
    <<a href="https://github.com/nitrogen/__simple_bridge" target="_blank">https://github.com/nitrogen/_<u></u>_simple_bridge</a><br>
    <<a href="https://github.com/nitrogen/simple_bridge" target="_blank">https://github.com/nitrogen/<u></u>simple_bridge</a>>>) so that the use<br>
<br>
        of a web server could be independent of Webmachine's logic,<br>
        which IMO is<br>
        the best solution.  I don't think anyone did anything<br>
    about it,<br>
        but for<br>
        some reason, SimpleBridge has Webmachine support, which<br>
    doesn't make<br>
        sense logically to me since Webmachine is a toolkit and<br>
    not a<br>
        web server.<br>
<br>
        I use Webmachine and love what it does for me, but the code<br>
        seems overly<br>
        complicated with a heavy reliance on Mochiweb and uses<br>
    parameterized<br>
        modules (an unsupported feature of Erlang), so I would<br>
    actually<br>
        be more<br>
        inclined to start a new project which is influenced by<br>
        Webmachine but<br>
        corrects all the issues with it and makes it a bit more<br>
    flexible and<br>
        modern (would love for Webmachine to support PATCH for<br>
    example and<br>
        something like Socket.IO).  I'd be happy to help out<br>
    with such a<br>
        project<br>
        if anyone is interested in starting one.<br>
<br>
        --Andrew<br>
<br>
        On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Tristan Sloughter<br>
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    <mailto:<a href="mailto:tristan.sloughter@gmail.com" target="_blank">tristan.sloughter@<u></u>gmail.com</a>>>>> wrote:<br>
<br>
          Interesting. Sucks that webmachine is so tied to<br>
    mochi and<br>
        mochi so<br>
          tied to lists, haha. But I'll give this a look.<br>
<br>
          Tristan<br>
<br>
<br>
          On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Magnus Klaar<br>
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<br>
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    <mailto:<a href="mailto:magnus.klaar@gmail.com" target="_blank">magnus.klaar@gmail.com</a><u></u>>__>__>> wrote:<br>
<br>
            Hi!<br>
<br>
            Cowboy currently includes an experimental<br>
    webmachine-like<br>
            interface. The first commit of this module should<br>
        explain some<br>
            of the key differences from webmachine. If i<br>
    remember the<br>
            history of this module the intial estimate for<br>
    the time<br>
        needed<br>
            to decouple webmachine from mochiweb _and_ refactor<br>
        webmachine<br>
            to support both binaries and lists everywhere was<br>
        greater than<br>
            the time needed to just add the difference<br>
    between the<br>
        two to<br>
            cowboy.<br>
<br></div>
    <a href="https://github.com/extend/____cowboy/commit/____aab1587a4b3d8f0c3d92a208322752____7d51109980" target="_blank">https://github.com/extend/____<u></u>cowboy/commit/____<u></u>aab1587a4b3d8f0c3d92a208322752<u></u>____7d51109980</a><br>
    <<a href="https://github.com/extend/__cowboy/commit/__aab1587a4b3d8f0c3d92a208322752__7d51109980" target="_blank">https://github.com/extend/__<u></u>cowboy/commit/__<u></u>aab1587a4b3d8f0c3d92a208322752<u></u>__7d51109980</a>><div class="im">
<br>
<br>
    <<a href="https://github.com/extend/__cowboy/commit/__aab1587a4b3d8f0c3d92a208322752__7d51109980" target="_blank">https://github.com/extend/__<u></u>cowboy/commit/__<u></u>aab1587a4b3d8f0c3d92a208322752<u></u>__7d51109980</a><br>
    <<a href="https://github.com/extend/cowboy/commit/aab1587a4b3d8f0c3d92a2083227527d51109980" target="_blank">https://github.com/extend/<u></u>cowboy/commit/<u></u>aab1587a4b3d8f0c3d92a208322752<u></u>7d51109980</a>>><br>
<br>
            If you're interested in a<br>
<br>
            MVH Magnus<br>
<br>
            On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Tristan Sloughter<br>
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    <mailto:<a href="mailto:tristan.sloughter@gmail.com" target="_blank">tristan.sloughter@<u></u>gmail.com</a>>>>> wrote:<br>
<br>
              This may be better on a Webmachine questions<br>
    list. But I<br>
              thought I'd ask here first since it may be<br>
    that someone<br>
              working on one of the other Erlang web<br>
    servers, besides<br>
              Mochiweb, has worked on moving Webmachine to use<br>
        that server.<br>
<br>
              The reason I say that is, Webmachine<br>
    currently relies on<br>
              Mochiweb which passes lists instead of binary<br>
        strings for<br>
              requests. While the req_body of a request is<br>
    given as a<br>
              binary the path_info and query string is<br>
    dealt with as<br>
              lists. While I would think there could be a<br>
        performance hit<br>
              due to this my main reason to ask for<br>
    alternatives<br>
        is that<br>
              dealing with JSON representations on the<br>
    backend require<br>
              converting the lists to binaries for processing<br>
        every time.<br>
<br>
              There has been<br></div></div>
    <a href="https://github.com/mochi/____mochiweb/pull/38" target="_blank">https://github.com/mochi/____<u></u>mochiweb/pull/38</a><br>
    <<a href="https://github.com/mochi/__mochiweb/pull/38" target="_blank">https://github.com/mochi/__<u></u>mochiweb/pull/38</a>><div class="im"><br>
<br>
    <<a href="https://github.com/mochi/__mochiweb/pull/38" target="_blank">https://github.com/mochi/__<u></u>mochiweb/pull/38</a><br>
    <<a href="https://github.com/mochi/mochiweb/pull/38" target="_blank">https://github.com/mochi/<u></u>mochiweb/pull/38</a>>> but<br>
              its clear at the end of the discussion its not a<br>
        change that<br>
              will be happening to mochiweb anytime soon.<br>
<br>
              So is there work on Webmachine backed by<br>
    Cowboy or<br>
        another<br>
              Erlang web server?<br>
<br>
              Thanks,<br>
              Tristan<br>
<br>
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