[erlang-questions] [ANN] Positive version 13.3.7

Lee Sylvester <>
Fri Mar 25 22:46:32 CET 2016


@Matthew, I'm giving a talk in Wellington in August at ScaleConf on moving
from Ruby to Elixir.  Yes, the underlying fundamentals are different, and
OTP is different, but moving from Ruby to Elixir is a much gentler curve
than from JS to Erlang.  Maybe you could consider hiring Ruby devs?

I recently read an article (I forget where) about a company who code with
Erlang who don't hire Erlang devs.  They hire creative devs with a passion
for learning, and simply ask them to learn Erlang.

It's a thought.

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 10:42 AM, Matthew Shapiro <> wrote:

> Unfortunately, that's way too true :(.
>
> My real project I"m learning Erlang for is for an video ingestion server,
> because I believe I can create something that works better than what we are
> currently using at our company, and Erlang and the Beam VM hits every
> checkbox so much better than every other language and runtime out there.
>
> Unfortunately, I am also keenly aware I will never bring this into
> production at my company since we are a small startup (5 people total, 2
> engineers) in Orlando, FL which has zero Erlang developers positions around
> (and probably thus a small pool of potential developers).  It's so
> fundamentally different (both on a framework and language level) from most
> other languages in this area that onboarding a new developer onto Erlang in
> sufficient amount of time is not going to be trivial or cheap, and anything
> I put into production needs to be able to be maintained by others that are
> not me.  So while Erlang checks all the boxes I still can't say it's the
> right tool due to that :-/.
>
> Of course, Javascript 100% is not the right tool for this job in every
> way, shape, or form (I actually had a Javascript developer in my coworking
> space ask why I wasn't doing it in Node.js, sigh).
>
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 3:10 PM, Loïc Hoguin <> wrote:
>
>> There is no such thing as the right tool for the job.
>>
>> There's the tools that work *for you*, and those that don't.
>>
>> JS is working for a lot of people. Erlang for a lot less.
>>
>> In the real world, all that matters is that the tool is *good enough* and
>> that you are *familiar* with it.
>>
>> Any combination where one of these is false leads to disaster. People who
>> never used Erlang before will not magically come up with a good
>> implementation (they can, but it takes a lot more time). Similarly, people
>> who are trying to use Erlang for what it's not good at will also fail, or
>> struggle to make it work.
>>
>> When choosing a tool for a project, the question should really be "Which
>> tool do I know or can quickly get comfortable with, and can help me produce
>> a working solution?"
>>
>> The answer to that question is different for everyone.
>>
>> On 03/25/2016 07:47 PM, Lee Sylvester wrote:
>>
>>> JS is a major player due to laziness.  I'm sorry, but a JS runtime on
>>> the server is never a good idea.  I don't use Elixir / Erlang for every
>>> project, I use the right tool for the job, whether I've used it before
>>> or not.  It just so happens that Elixir / Erlang is often the right tool.
>>>
>>> I'm sure it's the same for you guys?  The fact that Erlangs language is
>>> poetry and Elixir's eco-system is bliss means nothing :-P
>>>
>>> On Mar 26, 2016 7:21 AM, "Michael Truog" <
>>> <mailto:>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     On 03/25/2016 10:55 AM, Loïc Hoguin wrote:
>>>
>>>         On 03/25/2016 02:20 AM, zxq9 wrote:
>>>
>>>             EVERYONE! STOP EVERYTHING! SATIRE IS NOW "TOXIC"!
>>>
>>>
>>>         Shame is temporary. A good story is for life.
>>>
>>>         What happened is a story for the ages. And a pretty good one.
>>>
>>>
>>>     I agree.  This is a positive contribution and no one can deny that.
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>> --
>> Loïc Hoguin
>> http://ninenines.eu
>> Author of The Erlanger Playbook,
>> A book about software development using Erlang
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