[erlang-questions] Inconsistent hostnames

[Ryan Stewart]

> And I predict that it will be cumbersome to figure out what the "correct"
> behaviour would be for both cases on all supported systems
> and (mis)configurations?

Well, I'd think that at least returning non-conflicting values in the
various cases would be an improvement. Some sort of documentation of or
warning about the behavior would be handy, too. I ran across it while
building out some config management in Ansible, and it took some time to
figure out why Erlang was complaining about its node names.

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 8:28 AM Raimo Niskanen <
raimo+erlang-questions@REDACTED> wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 03:08:17PM +0200, Oliver Korpilla wrote:
> > Hello, Raimo.
> >
> > Agreed, it could cause surprises, but only on upgrading the system to a
> newer OTP. Wouldn't it be a bit naive to expect no changes whatsoever when
> doing that, anyway?
>
> "Naive" might be a harsh word.  We have historically had internal customers
> that pay our salary refusing to upgrade to a newer OTP for lesser reasons
> thus forcing us to maintain an old major release forever
> (at least for very long), and we do not have those resources.
>
> But times have changed for the better so this might be called an
> inconsistency that should be fixed.  It is not my call, though.
>
> And I predict that it will be cumbersome to figure out what the "correct"
> behaviour would be for both cases on all supported systems
> and (mis)configurations?
>
> / Raimo
>
>
> >
> > Regards,
> > Oliver
> >
> >
> > Gesendet: Montag, 11. Juli 2016 um 14:36 Uhr
> > Von: "Raimo Niskanen" <raimo+erlang-questions@REDACTED>
> > An: erlang-questions@REDACTED
> > Betreff: Re: [erlang-questions] Inconsistent hostnames
> > On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 07:11:54PM +0000, Ryan Stewart wrote:
> > > In deploying my erlang app to some new CentOS servers with erlang
> 18.3, I
> > > came across an oddity in networking. The server's networking config,
> which
> > > is admittedly messed up, looks something like:
> > > short hostname: bob
> > > long hostname: bob.prod.example.net
> > > domain: example.com
> > >
> > > Now when I start erlang with "erl -sname x", net_adm:localhost()
> returns "
> > > bob.prod.example.net".
> > >
> > > However, if I start erlang with "erl -name x", net_adm:localhost()
> returns "
> > > bob.example.com".
> > >
> > > I believe this comes from net_kernel:create_hostpart/2, where it
> follows
> > > different paths on short vs long node names. On a long node name, it
> > > appears to use short hostname + domain, where on a short node name, it
> > > simply uses the long hostname. That decision appears to trickle
> through the
> > > rest of the networking libraries.
> > >
> > > I understand that we need to fix the config on the server. I just
> wondered
> > > if this might be considered a bug in erlang as well.
> >
> > This behaviour is old, and changing it would either surprise either some
> > important "short names" using application or ditto "long names" one.
> >
> > For -name the Erlang networking code tries to parse the OS configuration
> > files e.g /etc/resolv.conf to figure out the domain name.
> > net_adm:localhost() then puts them together.
> >
> > For -sname the Erlang networking code tries to look up the short hostname
> > using the native resolver to find a fully qualified alias, and takes the
> > domain from that.
> >
> > We might call this an annoying irregularity of not very big practical
> > importance, probably not worth changing...
> >
> > I actually do not understand why net_adm:localhost() returns the long
> > hostname for -sname in the first place. I think the documentation leaves
> > room for returning the short hostname, but changing that could probably
> > affect which IP address is used to contact EPMD which would surprise
> > some important "short names" using application.
> >
> > >
> > > Ryan
> >
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