[erlang-questions] languages in use? [was: Time for OTP to be Renamed?]
Zachary Kessin
zkessin@REDACTED
Mon Feb 17 09:42:03 CET 2014
We did a podcast a while back on when not to use erlang, which I thought
was very interesting
http://mostlyerlang.com/2013/05/30/005-when-not-to-use-erlang/
There are definitely places where the Erlang Ecosystem is week, but they
seem to be things people are working on
--Zach
On 2/17/14, 10:10 AM, Max Bourinov wrote:
> Erlang is absolute genius within existing programming languages for
> server side programming for highly loaded systems. There is nothing
> else on the market that can replace Erlang (and there is no need for
> it). All those languages like java/.net etc makes absolutely no sense
> on really loaded servers.
>
> I strongly believe that if some people/teams/companies have
> difficulties with Erlang it only shows their misunderstanding or wrong
> usage or poor language knowledge etc. Or all above and maybe extra...
>
> There is nothing else to say. All insinuations about "Where Erlang in
> use or not?" are poor and have absolutely no reason to exist unless
> you want to know who uses Erlang and where, but it is a different
> question.
>
> Erlang is really in heavy use. And it really works amazing. Absolutely
> amazing!!!
>
> Best regards for all people involved in Erlang community!
>
> Joe Armstrong and Robert Wirding are my heroes!
>
> Max
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 3:41 AM, Richard A. O'Keefe <ok@REDACTED
> <mailto:ok@REDACTED>> wrote:
>
>
> On 16/02/2014, at 2:14 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> > How about this for a larger sample:
> > http://eandt.theiet.org/news/2013/mar/cobol-skills.cfm (lede:
> "Dearth of COBOL programmers threatens business")
>
> As someone who has used COBOL, who indeed has OpenCOBOL
> on his machine (and some CICS books I've never had a
> chance to put into practice), I have to say that
>
> 'Coughlan ... also believes a certain amount of
> "intellectual snobbery", due to the language
> not being mathematically based and created by
> ... Grace Hopper rather than academics, is at
> play."
>
> is *way* off the mark. COBOL is no more and no
> less "mathematically based" than most imperative
> programming languages. And it's news to me that C,
> C++, Objective C, Visual Basic.NET (we used to teach
> that, only stopped recently; I used to do it but
> after our then HoD took over, it was decided to stop),
> SQL, or PHP was "created by academics".
>
> Our own beloved Erlang was created _by_ an industrial
> company _for_ their industrial purposes, and it wasn't
> the first time they'd devised their own language either.
>
> The problem with COBOL is that it is just amazingly
> verbose, not to mention error-prone.
>
> Unfortunately, COBOL-to-X translators, except for the
> very very best, tend to produce programs in language
> X that are even more verbose, and far less understandable.
> (I haven't used one, but I've seen materials suggesting
> that there are some seriously good COBOL-to-X translators
> out there, but expect to spend serious money...)
>
> As for "students only really learn one language,
> normally Java or some Java derivative", we teach
> Python, Java, and C, and 3rd-year students are
> at least exposed to C++ or Objective C. Coughlan
> may be correct that students only *learn* one
> language, but they are *taught* more.
>
> The rather whiny tone of the article is one I've heard
> before (I wonder where). If businesses are worried
> about there not being enough COBOL programmers, the
> answer is for *them* to club together and *run some
> courses*. If anyone wants to do that in Dunedin, I
> would be happy to contribute some teaching time, if
> adequately recompensed. Oh, and since students already
> have scary student loans, these courses should be
> *free*. User pays: in this case it's the companies
> that are the users, not the students.
>
> > Or Indeed.Com's salary survey:
> > http://www.indeed.com/salary/Cobol-Developer.html
>
> which shows "Java J2EE Unix Developer" as offering
> higher average salary than most of the COBOL categories.
>
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