[erlang-questions] languages in use? [was: Time for OTP to be Renamed?]

Zachary Kessin <>
Mon Feb 17 09:42:03 CET 2014

We did a podcast a while back on when not to use erlang, which I thought 
was very interesting 
There are definitely places where the Erlang Ecosystem is week, but they 
seem to be things people are working on

On 2/17/14, 10:10 AM, Max Bourinov wrote:
> Erlang is absolute genius within existing programming languages for 
> server side programming for highly loaded systems. There is nothing 
> else on the market that can replace Erlang (and there is no need for 
> it). All those languages like java/.net etc makes absolutely no sense 
> on really loaded servers.
> I strongly believe that if some people/teams/companies have 
> difficulties with Erlang it only shows their misunderstanding or wrong 
> usage or poor language knowledge etc. Or all above and maybe extra...
> There is nothing else to say. All insinuations about "Where Erlang in 
> use or not?" are poor and have absolutely no reason to exist unless 
> you want to know who uses Erlang and where, but it is a different 
> question.
> Erlang is really in heavy use. And it really works amazing. Absolutely 
> amazing!!!
> Best regards for all people involved in Erlang community!
> Joe Armstrong and Robert Wirding are my heroes!
> Max
> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 3:41 AM, Richard A. O'Keefe < 
> <mailto:>> wrote:
>     On 16/02/2014, at 2:14 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>     > How about this for a larger sample:
>     > http://eandt.theiet.org/news/2013/mar/cobol-skills.cfm (lede:
>     "Dearth of COBOL programmers threatens business")
>     As someone who has used COBOL, who indeed has OpenCOBOL
>     on his machine (and some CICS books I've never had a
>     chance to put into practice), I have to say that
>             'Coughlan ... also believes a certain amount of
>             "intellectual snobbery", due to the language
>             not being mathematically based and created by
>             ... Grace Hopper rather than academics, is at
>             play."
>     is *way* off the mark.  COBOL is no more and no
>     less "mathematically based" than most imperative
>     programming languages.  And it's news to me that C,
>     C++, Objective C, Visual Basic.NET (we used to teach
>     that, only stopped recently; I used to do it but
>     after our then HoD took over, it was decided to stop),
>     SQL, or PHP was "created by academics".
>     Our own beloved Erlang was created _by_ an industrial
>     company _for_ their industrial purposes, and it wasn't
>     the first time they'd devised their own language either.
>     The problem with COBOL is that it is just amazingly
>     verbose, not to mention error-prone.
>     Unfortunately, COBOL-to-X translators, except for the
>     very very best, tend to produce programs in language
>     X that are even more verbose, and far less understandable.
>     (I haven't used one, but I've seen materials suggesting
>     that there are some seriously good COBOL-to-X translators
>     out there, but expect to spend serious money...)
>     As for "students only really learn one language,
>     normally Java or some Java derivative", we teach
>     Python, Java, and C, and 3rd-year students are
>     at least exposed to C++ or Objective C. Coughlan
>     may be correct that students only *learn* one
>     language, but they are *taught* more.
>     The rather whiny tone of the article is one I've heard
>     before (I wonder where).  If businesses are worried
>     about there not being enough COBOL programmers, the
>     answer is for *them* to club together and *run some
>     courses*.  If anyone wants to do that in Dunedin, I
>     would be happy to contribute some teaching time, if
>     adequately recompensed.  Oh, and since students already
>     have scary student loans, these courses should be
>     *free*.  User pays: in this case it's the companies
>     that are the users, not the students.
>     > Or Indeed.Com's salary survey:
>     > http://www.indeed.com/salary/Cobol-Developer.html
>     which shows "Java J2EE Unix Developer" as offering
>     higher average salary than most of the COBOL categories.
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Zachary Kessin
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