[erlang-questions] [eeps] New EEP: setrlimit(2) analogue for Erlang

Björn-Egil Dahlberg egil@REDACTED
Thu Feb 7 16:27:49 CET 2013

I dug out what I wrote a year ago ..


Reference implementation:
Remember, this is a prototype and a reference implementation.

There is a couple of issues not addressed or at least open-ended.

* Should processes be able to set limits on other processes? I think not 
though my draft argues for it. It introduces unnecessary restraints on 
erts and hinders performance. 'save_calls' is such an option.

* ets - if your table increases beyond some limit. Who should we punish? 
The inserter? The owner? What would be the rationale? We cannot just 
punish the inserter, the ets table is still there taking a lot of memory 
and no other process could insert into the table. They would be killed 
as well. Remove the owner and hence the table (and potential heir)? What 
kind of problems would arise then? Limits should be tied into a 
supervision strategy and restart the whole thing.

* In my draft and reference implementation I use soft limits. Once a 
process reaches its limit it will be marked for termination by an exit 
signal. The trouble here is there is no real guarantee for how long this 
will take. A process can continue appending a binary for a short while 
and ending the beam with OOM still. (If I remember it correctly you have 
to schedule out to terminate a process in SMP thus you need to bump all 
reduction. But, not all things handle return values from the garbage 
collector, most notably within the append_binary instruction). There may 
be other issues as well.

* Message queues. In the current implementation of message queues we 
have two queues. An inner one which is locked by the receiver process 
while executing and an outer one which other processes will use and thus 
not compete for a message queue lock with the executing process. When 
the inner queue is depleted the receiver process will lock the outer 
queue and move the entire thing to the inner one. Rinse and repeat. The 
only guarantee we have to ensure with our implementation is: signal 
order between two processes. So, in the future we might have several 
queues to improve performance. If you introduce monitoring of the total 
number messages in the abstracted queue (all the queues) this will most 
probable kill any sort of scalability. For instance a sender would not 
be allowed to check the inner queue for this reason. Would a "fast" 
counter check in the inner queue be allowed? Perhaps if it is fast 
enough, but any sort of bookkeeping costs performance. If we introduce 
even more queues for scalability reasons this will cost even more.

* What about other memory users? Drivers? NIFs?

I do believe in increments in development as long it is path to the 
envisioned goal.
And to reiterate, i'm not convinced that limits on just processes is the 
way to go. I think a complete monitoring system should be envisioned, 
not just for processes.

// Björn-Egil

On 2013-02-06 23:03, Richard O'Keefe wrote:
> Just today, I saw Matthew Evans'
> 	This pertains to a feature I would like to see
> 	in Erlang.  The ability to set an optional
> 	"memory limit" when a process and ETS table is
> 	created (and maybe a global optional per-process
> 	limit when the VM is started).  I've seen a few
> 	cases where, due to software bugs, a process size
> 	grows and grows; unfortunately as things stand
> 	today the result is your entire VM crashing -
> 	hopefully leaving you with a crash_dump.
> 	Having such a limit could cause the process to
> 	terminate (producing a OOM crash report in
> 	erlang.log) and the crashing process could be
> 	handled with supervisor rules.  Even better you
> 	can envisage setting the limits artificially low
> 	during testing to catch these types of bugs early on.
> in my mailbox.  I have seen too many such e-mail messages.
> Here's a specific proposal.  It's time _something_ was done
> about this kind of problem.  I don't expect that my EEP is
> the best way to deal with it, but at least there's going to
> be something for people to point to.
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