[erlang-questions] OOP in Erlang

[Michael Turner]

Hynek Vychodil wrote: "Smalltalk contains inheritance but Alan Kay doesn't
state that inheritance is key feature of OOP. Especially in these days he
is telling something different."

Not just recently but originally.

http://forum.trapexit.org/viewtopic.php?p=51130&sid=bf412b1a24a7b9e777beeb2035d5f7a0

<http://forum.trapexit.org/viewtopic.php?p=51130&sid=bf412b1a24a7b9e777beeb2035d5f7a0>IIRC,
the  affirmative response immediately following was from Joe Armstrong, not
from "Guest".  Ah, yes, I *do* RC:


http://groups.google.com/group/erlang-programming/msg/546621f6b27970bb?hl=en

<http://groups.google.com/group/erlang-programming/msg/546621f6b27970bb?hl=en>Possibly
off-topic: can someone please tell me why TrapExit mirrors this list in a
"forum" that's not even really a forum?  Multi-threaded, searchable mailing
list archives of the usual kind would not only be easier to use, but
actually an honest representation of the origin of the discussion.  I
suppose the counter-argument will be that "a mailing list is a subclass of
forum", but if so why did the typecast of one to another reduce Joe
Armstrong to a mere guest?

-michael turner


On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 12:57 AM, Hynek Vychodil <hynek@REDACTED> wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Ed Keith <e_d_k@REDACTED> wrote:
> > --- On Wed, 8/11/10, Hynek Vychodil <hynek@REDACTED> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Hynek Vychodil <hynek@REDACTED>
> >> Subject: Re: [erlang-questions] OOP in Erlang
> >> To: "Guy Wiener" <wiener.guy@REDACTED>
> >> Cc: "Erlang Questions" <erlang-questions@REDACTED>
> >> Date: Wednesday, August 11, 2010, 4:37 AM
> >> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 9:44 AM, Guy
> >> Wiener <wiener.guy@REDACTED>
> >> wrote:
> >> > I have to stand up for OOP at this point: OOP does not
> >> start and end with
> >> > "encapsulating code and data". The OOP feature that
> >> has the strongest impact
> >> > on code brevity is *inheritance*. Thus, the interest
> >> in extending modules.
> >>
> >> I can't agree with you. Inheritance is only way how some
> >> OOP language
> >> copes with complexity of OO systems. Inheritance is neither
> >> core nor
> >> mandatory feature of OOP. What worse, many of OO affected
> >> people what
> >> I met stated that inheritance is most controversial and
> >> mostly misused
> >> feature of OOP. I also observe that there is positive
> >> correlation with
> >> person experience and probability that will tell or agree
> >> with above
> >> statement.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Also, IMHO, parameterized modules are a more compact
> >> way to encapsulate code
> >> > and data, since that you don't have to pass the data
> >> structure around as an
> >> > explicit state (assuming, of course, that the data is
> >> immutable).
> >> >
> >> > Guy
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 5:17 AM, Ngoc Dao <ngocdaothanh@REDACTED>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> The mostly used feature of OOP is probably
> >> encapsulating code and
> >> >> data. Have a look at gen_server:
> >> >> http://www.erlang.org/doc/man/gen_server.html
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >
> >
> > When I first studied OOP, in 1990, I was taught that OO was defined by
> four features: Encapsulation, Abstraction, Inheritance, and Polymorphism.
> That if any of these were missing it was not OO.
>
> Same to me. It was in all books what I read in 1990s and it is still
> in many books. But I learnt that not all what they taught me and not
> all what is written in books is true.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-oriented_programming#History
>
> Starts from 1960 through 1970s when "The Smalltalk language, which was
> developed at Xerox PARC (by Alan Kay and others) in the 1970s,
> introduced the term object-oriented programming to represent the
> pervasive use of objects and messages as the basis for computation."
>
> Smalltalk contains inheritance but Alan Kay doesn't state that
> inheritance is key feature of OOP. Especially in these days he is
> telling something different. (For example:
> http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=alan+kay+message+passing)
>
> >
> >      -EdK
> >
> > Ed Keith
> > e_d_k@REDACTED
> >
> > Blog: edkeith.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> --Hynek (Pichi) Vychodil
>
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