[erlang-questions] IDE Bashing (Was Re: [erlang-questions] "Erlang as a First Language" -- crazy? or just stupid?)

Vasilij Savin <>
Mon Dec 28 06:20:15 CET 2009


Disclaimer: It feels like Art vs Craft/Engineering flame bait. My apologies,
if it was not the intention.

As long as Programming is art, I can agree that you do not need tools. But
that is only possible if one is developing small programmes in his leisure

Once Programming is a craft or profession, you NEED Good tools, or you will
never get your job done. Building anything remotely complicated calls for
discipline and proper tools.

Building summerhouse can be done spontaneously and for fun. Building
cathedral is totally different matter.

Vasilij Savin

On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 1:36 AM, David Lloyd <> wrote:

> Hey People,
> IDEs are simply a tool - nothing less and nothing more; a good programmer
> doesn't really need one.
> Programming is an art form that doesn't need tools.
> However some programmers or artisans find the right tools useful to them
> and other people, who are not programmers, find that with tools they can be
> somewhat successful at programming but may not ever become a true artist or
> Michalangelo.
> Don't bash IDEs in general - they, like Erlang itself - have their uses.
> Remember: you don't NEED Erlang to be a good programmer either -
> programming is an art not defined by the language (which is the tool) one is
> using. Just as art can be poetry, painting, sculpture or even modern art
> that baffles the imagination.
> It's far better to ask, "When is it appropriate to use this tool (Erlang,
> this particular IDE)?" imho.
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