[erlang-questions] Reading, Learning, Confused

[Edwin Fine]

Oops - meant to write

f(X) -> put(x, X), X.

On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Edwin Fine <erlang-questions_efine@REDACTED>
wrote:

> I interpret those words as follows:
>
> As of Erlang 5.5/OTP R11B, short-circuit boolean expressions are allowed in
> guards. Please note that evaluation is always short-circuited in guards.
> This is because guard tests are known to be free of side effects. If a
> guard condition is free of side-effects, that means that in a sequence of
> guards, it is guaranteed that leaving out the evaluation of one or more
> guards will not change the state of the program. For example, let's say that
> user-defined functions were allowed in guards.
>
> f(X) -> put(x, X), true.
> g() -> put(x, true), put(y,"g() was called"), true.
> h() -> get(x).
> test(X) when f(X), g(), h() ->  ok. % Will not compile - illegal Erlang
>
> What will get(x) and get(y) return after test(X) is run? Will it make a
> difference to the result if guards are not short-circuited?
>
> Non-short-circuited guards:
> test(true): f(true) sets x to true, g() sets x to true, y to the string.
> End result: x is true, y is "g() was called".
> test(false): f(false) sets x to false, g() sets x to true. End result: x is
> true, y is "g() was called".
>
> Short-circuited guards with side-effects:
> test(true): f(true) sets x to true, g() sets x to true, y to the string.
> End result: x is true, y is "g() was called".
> test(false): f(false) sets x to false, g() is not evaluated. End result: x
> is false, y is undefined.
>
> So skipping a guard test if it has a side effect can change the state of
> the whole program, which would make short-circuit evaluation impossible. But
> because no guard tests can have side-effects, the state of the program
> cannot be changed if one or more guard tests are not evaluated.
>
> Hope this makes sense.
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Alpár Jüttner <alpar@REDACTED> wrote:
>
>> >         As of Erlang 5.5/OTP R11B, short-circuit boolean expressions are
>> >         allowed in guards. In guards, however, evaluation is always
>> >         short-circuited since guard tests are known to be free of side
>> >         effects.
>> >         (Section 6.14, Short-Circuit Boolean Expressions)
>> >
>> > Something is wrong here, isn;t it?
>>
>> I mean
>>
>>      * What does the word "however" mean here? Does it mean that if
>>        they are not in a guard, orelse/andelse might be non
>>        short-circuited?
>>      * How does the freedom from side effects are related to the
>>        short-circuited evaluation?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Alpar
>>
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Alpar
>> >
>> > On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 06:50 -0700, Lev Walkin wrote:
>> > > Sean Allen wrote:
>> > > > by a small bit of example code in Programming Erlang related to
>> guards
>> > > > and short circuit booleans:
>> > > >
>> > > >   f(X) when (X == 0) or (1/X > 2) ->
>> > > >      ...
>> > > >
>> > > > g(X) when (X == 0) orelse ( 1/X > 2) ->
>> > > >     ...
>> > > >
>> > > > The guard in f(X) fails when X is zero but succeeds in g(X)
>> > > >
>> > > > Can someone explain why?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Sean,
>> > >
>> > > The thing is, "or" does not short-circuit evaluation when left side
>> > > succeeds, whereas "orelse" does. Same short-circuit logic is
>> > > behind the differences between "and" and "andalso".
>> > >
>> > > Actually, the very book you read explains these differences and warns
>> > > about caveats a couple pages later (or earlier). Don't stop reading.
>> > >
>> >
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