[erlang-questions] Erlang vs. Haskell
mad.one@REDACTED
mad.one@REDACTED
Tue Jul 3 13:47:09 CEST 2007
Given what you've found yourself already doing, I would say you stick with Erlang for now. You get mass scale
concurrency cheap and the message-oriented syntax is, personally, a pleasure to work with. :) Once you start
stepping out into a much bigger, concurrent world, erlang is a better choice for what you're doing, hands down
if you ask me.
Now, granted, with Haskell you get some nice things too. You get monadic abstractions which, while tough to
grok at first, provide a very nice mechanism to remove code boilerplate, as well as let you create the rules
as to how a 'sequential' action/function should occur (quotes on 'sequential' as in haskell, order doesn't
matter: monads give you the sense of sequential evaluation, but you can describe exactly what happens under
the hood, since the monadic do-notation in haskell is just syntactic sugar. This allows you to do things like
pass around state transparently.)
Monads are a lot of things, however, which can be confusing at first. No monad really follows a 'guiding
principle' as to how it should act (although there are laws all monads must abide by.) Some monads, for
example, State and Reader, act as a container which allows you to have an outermost 'environment' where
globalized data is held, so that anything executed in this container has access to it, in a language where
there things are referentially transparent (that is, it's just acting like a global variable in C or
somesuch.) The IO monad gives the notion of a side effect, etc. etc..
There are also other benefits. The haskell type system is incredbly strong and flexible in itself. The
compiler -will- complain. A lot. But this is something that shouldn't aggrivate you: without the compiler
catching all those type-errors (remember, very strong,) those issues would most likely manifest into runtime
bugs rather than compile-time bugs. So the type system basically offers you debugging for free. This is why
after you generally get a haskell program to compile fully, it just seems to 'work.' The type system will
ensure this correctness.
Haskell is a language where things can be 'hard' but they just hit the point of 'hard enough.' I learned a lot
while doing Haskell, so while you might not use it for this project (again, I waver in Erlang's favor here), I
highly advise it's investigation anyway. I don't think you'll regret it; once you can get past the initial
frusterations (I felt as though I couldn't write 6 lines of code without a thousand type errors!), and you'll
see a very amazing, beautiful language underneath.
Austin Seipp
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