[erlang-questions] benchmarks game harsh criticism

Bengt Kleberg <>
Wed Dec 12 08:04:45 CET 2007


i apologise to the erlang community.

had i know a better way to handle the situation i would have used it.


bengt
Those were the days...
    EPO guidelines 1978: "If the contribution to the known art resides
    solely in a computer program then the subject matter is not
    patentable in whatever manner it may be presented in the claims."


On 12/11/07 17:38, Sean Hinde wrote:
> Please, please give it a rest. Enough. Stop. Cease. Desist.
> 
> This is doing more to damage the reputation of the Erlang community than 
> any benefit that might be gained from whatever it is you are writing 
> about. Go away!
> 
> Sean
> 
> On 11 Dec 2007, at 16:21, Bengt Kleberg wrote:
> 
>> greetings,
>>
>> it is good that you always think about the legalities involved in email
>> discussions. not many people do. it would be better if you thought about
>> how to communicate in email discussions, too.
>>
>> some things that helps communication: what is the goal you have in mind
>> when you send an email? if the receiver knows where the discussion is
>> heading it will help. try to write clearly, not cleverly. if possible,
>> be nice. avoid rhetorical questions that are thinly veiled threats.
>> bullying people will make them shut up, but not change their mind. give
>> a context to your questions. do not insinuate that your reader is an
>> idiot. that either adds to the confusion or creates bad will. explain a
>> lot since mind reading never works.
>>
>> take your last email as an example. it probably says that you do not
>> like a personal attack, only not directly. but what is it that you do
>> not like? is it to be reminded of a mistake? or that your perfectly
>> legal and very well crafted writing is called brutal?  i do not know and
>> if you want me to know, then communication could fix that.
>>
>> if you do not want me to know, then the simplest way is to avoid writing
>> anything at all.
>>
>>
>> bengt
>>
>> Those were the days...
>>    EPO guidelines 1978: "If the contribution to the known art resides
>>    solely in a computer program then the subject matter is not
>>    patentable in whatever manner it may be presented in the claims."
>>
>>
>> On 12/07/07 19:08, Isaac Gouy wrote:
>>> Please consider whether making a personal attack is an appropriate use
>>> of this mailing list or of your employers email service.
>>>
>>> I provided a link to the benchmarks game public discussion forum -
>>> please understand that personal attacks will not be welcomed there.
>>>
>>> There's nothing more for me to say.
>>>
>>>
>>> --- Bengt Kleberg <> wrote:
>>>
>>>> greetings,
>>>>
>>>> as for losing audience i hope that my suggestion at the start of this
>>>>
>>>> discussion (''do not read this'') was followed by as many as
>>>> possible.
>>>> having experienced isaac some 2-3 years ago (that time was much worse
>>>>
>>>> since i was unprepared) i expected something like this and thus
>>>> offered
>>>> the warning.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> taking this from the mail list is a good idea in theory.
>>>>
>>>> it was my first reaction when things turned ugly all those years ago.
>>>>
>>>> unfortunately isaac took the private email i sent him, chopped it
>>>> into
>>>> little pieces, removing things like explanations, smilies, etc. he
>>>> then
>>>> posted these pieces as straw man arguments on the mail list. using
>>>> his
>>>> normal acerbic tone, he proceeded smashing them to dust.
>>>>
>>>> i sent another private email explaining that he had hurt me, asking
>>>> him
>>>> to stop doing such things, and giving me an apology. his (private)
>>>> answer was much more brutal than his mail list postings, the point
>>>> being
>>>> that his act was not illegal and he would never apologise. finally he
>>>>
>>>> wrote that we should never send private email to each other again.
>>>>
>>>> so in practice i am not taking this off-line even though it would be
>>>> a
>>>> nice thing for this list.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> bengt
>>>
>>>
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