Erlang on Solaris x86
Wed Aug 30 12:12:42 CEST 2006
On Aug 30, 2006, at 4:46 PM, Joel Reymont wrote:
> On Aug 30, 2006, at 7:00 AM, ke han wrote:
>> BTW, I TextDrive might sell you containers on their Niagra servers
>> as well as what they currently advertise for their Opteron ones.
>> I sent a few rounds of email with one of their sales people on this.
> Is there a particular advantage to the Niagara servers with Erlang?
> Is this tried and true or just hypothetical?
Others have posted their testing results with the Niagra chip and
erlang R11. The results I've seen so far look _very_ good. I don't
rank high enough to get a demo machine from Sun ;-)
Although I haven't used it and haven't heard of anyone using it with
erlang, the Niagra has an on core encryption accelerator. See this
blog post on how it works http://blogs.sun.com/enigma/ (under
heading: Two Cryptographic Solution). You can't get this with an
>> My only problem was I can get more horsepower from my own
>> dedicated server than with the current pricing on the TextDrive
> How did you figure this out? I looked at serverbeach.com and for
> 250/mo you get a bare server. Do you mean that it starts to become
> expensive as you scale up?
I am using a hosting provider m5hosting.com. They leverage a 5-start
facility in San Diego and provide excellent support and good pricing.
Although large hosting companied like serverbeach or aplus have good
support technicians, they also have more lesser knowledgeable support
folk. You usually have to go through the first tier before you get
to a person that can help you fix a real problem. m5hosting is small
and _only_ has top support techs, so you cut through a layer when you
have a problem.
FWIW, another (Linux only) hosting company I like for quality and
knowledge is rimuhosting. Yeah, I've tried lots of hosting options
over the last few years!!
I rent a server from m5hosting I'm using for development which costs
$105/month. Its only for dev as it doesn't have RAID 1 or redundant
power. But I think you can get these added and still be less than
$250/month. Get in touch with and tell them Jon
Hancock referred you ;-)
> I'm also trying to find a contact at Amazon to get on the EC2 beta.
> For 70/mo per virtual server that would be ideal! Anyone with
WOW!!!..I'd like to hear more on this.
>> (there are obviously other benefits to their container solution
>> than raw horsepower of your own dedicated server
> What are the advantages that you see?
Solaris Containers (or Zones) are very useful for what you may
otherwise use virtual machines or change root jails to manage. If
you can do everything on Solaris, Zones are powerful.
That being said, I still have slightly negative feelings about tying
myself to Sun. They are not a good company to have as your partner
unless you are consistently paying top dollar. Even then they don't
quite drop the arrogance...nowhere near as bad as Oracle though ;-) ,
but I shy away from companies with these histories. I spent some
time these last few months trying to see if I wanted to use Solaris
on Niagra. I ended up deciding that if the Niagra scales to what I
may eventually need, then when I have that large a user base, I can
switch to it and not have to worry about asking for any favors from
my regional Sun sales rep ;-).
As for scaling "up" or "out", the latest info I have is that using
power hunger servers is going to start costing you much more. Data
Centers have to pass this cost along to the customer and the
amortized cost of buying wattage efficient servers will pay off well
over the next year as energy prices go up. This means paying more up
front costs for the next gen processors and the more power efficient
>> but I was worried about their cost structure as my app needed more
> You mean 250 + 250 + 250? They do seem to take care of load-
> balancing for you, I think, if you have multiple containers.
The very nice thing about what TextDrive is offering for their
Opteron Solaris Containers is that you get the entire fault-tolerant
infrastructure with it. Your renting a container, not a virtual
machine on a particular server. Its a powerful approach whose time
has come and I think we're going to see lots more of this from
TextDrive and others.
I didn't push their sales rep to see what kind of discounts would be
available as I scaled up.
Please keep me posted on these experiences...as I still haven't
finalized my production decisions.
> Thanks, Joel
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